More than 80 civilian detectives to go as police cuts bite
MORE than 80 civilian crime investigators put in place to bolster frontline policing face job cuts, it has been revealed.
In mid March, Devon and Cornwall Police launched a consultation with the crime investigators, many of whom work alongside detectives.
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The Herald has learned that, on Wednesday this week, the investigators were called in en masse and told they had until May 4 to either come up with suggestions to cut costs or face the sack.
Crime investigators have called The Herald claiming they were told the force needed to cut 81 of them, with redundancy notices being planned for June and them being sent packing for good by September.
The redundancies are part of the forces plan to cut 500 civilian support posts as it faces spending cuts of £47m over the next four years.
However, the GMB union has described the move as disastrous. They say many of the civilian crime investigators are former police officers who were originally put in place to free up serving officers needed to return to frontline duties and thicken the thin blue line.
Plymouth has 12 civilian crime investigators split equally between the three regional crime teams.
One told The Herald, under condition of anonymity: "We do exactly the same work as a police officer except the arrest. We are the officers in charge on cases ranging from harassment, assault, fraud and robbery, to working on the most serious cases like rape and murder.
"We interview the witnesses, the victims and the suspects, we collate the information, conduct the searches, build the file, work with the Crown Prosecution Service to get the charge and even go to court to ensure a conviction.
"I've been doing this a few years now and can honestly say we've ensured a fair number of criminals have been convicted. We are able to dedicate our time and focus on investigating crime, because we're not being dragged away to deal with neighbour disputes or kids causing trouble. All we do every day is investigate crimes and try and catch the culprits.
"Getting rid of us won't increase the number of criminals brought to justice – quite the opposite."
One detective told The Herald they highly rated the work done by the civilian investigators and said the proposed redundancies was "short-term thinking of the worst kind".
They said: "Everyone accepts we've got to make cuts, but they could start by cutting back on the expensive lease cars used by the bosses in Middlemoor."
A spokesman admitted "remodelling" to "disestablish all Civilian Investigator posts" was underway, but stressed it was merely a "proposal and as such no decision regarding these posts has been made."
The spokesman said: "We recognise the valuable and high level work all our investigators carry out and this proposal has not been put forward without considerable thought. We will continue to liaise closely with our staff and their union representatives and offer them any support needed."








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by Barnacle Bill, Devils Point
Sunday, April 17 2011, 9:52PM
“Any chance the Constabulary take notice of all the local drug dealers???
INSTEAD of a few parking fines??
Probably Not!
3 points and £60 ....Easy Ticks In The Box.....The Long and the short and the tall.”
by Dick Barton, Plymouth
Sunday, April 17 2011, 8:11PM
“Looks like Iv'e stuck a raw nerve again, some people just cant handle the truth.”
by Jason Shopland, Plymouth
Sunday, April 17 2011, 11:57AM
“Good, They don't realy detect much of any good anyway.”
by Dick Barton, Plymouth, UK not USA
Sunday, April 17 2011, 11:47AM
“By the way, who¿s the goon on the Heralds staff that keeps insisting on using the American version of presenting dates? Example ¿May 4¿. I didn¿t realise or should that be realize that we are ruled from Washington yet. Next you will be referring to a car boot as a trunk. Pack it up, its not big and it¿s not clever. It¿s not the Queens English either. We may be talking about detectives here but I don¿t think Sam Spade is amongst them.”
by Dick Barton, Plymouth
Sunday, April 17 2011, 11:40AM
“Don¿t you just this management ploy with regard to redundancy? Quote, ¿the investigators were called in en masse and told they had until May 4 to either come up with suggestions to cut costs or face the sack¿. As a manager it¿s not something I would endorse myself. I take the tone of the statement at face value as it is something I have witnessed been used time and again. The irony of this is that in the event of suggestions been made with regard to work force and working practices the usual stance of management is ¿it¿s our job to manage, we will decide and put into place what¿s necessary¿. Putting the onus on candidates for redundancy to save their own jobs only adds to the stress when they have been axed. Cold indeed is the blood of the self-serving who clog up the corridors of power in many organizations throughout this land. Most couldn¿t make a decision to save their lives and I¿m talking from experience. I can truly say that often in the work place what goes around comes around; I¿ve witnessed that too. It may take twenty years but I¿ve seen some fantastic falls from grace, people who you would think where unassailable.”
by Concerned Plymouth resident, Plymouth
Saturday, April 16 2011, 9:54PM
“How worrying is this? The Crime investigators were introduced to allow Officers to return to the streets. Would I be incorrect to think that the sworn Officers arrest suspects and let the Investigators deal wit them? This seems like a good plan. Why would Mr Otter wish to end this set up? Perhaps they could get rid of the excess waste at Middlemoor instead of cutting the front line. I suspect this could be Mr Otter's 'Maria Wallis' moment!!”
by 24-7, Plymouth
Saturday, April 16 2011, 5:19PM
“Alright Marshy?”
by Steve, Dartmouth
Saturday, April 16 2011, 4:01PM
“With the cuts that the force has to make, i feel it would be a more better influential move if you make a list starting from the top. Slowly work your way down taking out the things that are not completely relevent, such do we need a deputy ACC. Also if a long term lease car is used, get rid of it. one can always use their own car and claim the neccicarry mileage allowence. we need our Boys & Girls in blue to be doing what they do best at ground level. You see when it comes to cuts it is always the personel at the top cutting the bottom off to save their jobs, why dont we go the whole hog, get rid of all the lower ranks and whats left can do the job, i bet you they would not like that having to leave their plush offices and doing a good days work.”
by Roland, Plymouth
Saturday, April 16 2011, 12:54PM
“An end to amateur interviewers has to be a good thing. Maybe the quality of interrogation and perhaps investigations will be improved and the percentage of successful prosecutions much increased.”
by jace, plympton
Saturday, April 16 2011, 12:05PM
“Possibly not good for crime detection, depending on what is put in place to replace them, but at least if they are retired policemen they have a good pension to live on, not like lots of others in the public service who are losing their job.”