“Jimbo - what tourists do come to see, however, is the history of a city, its culture, how the city has developed and what life means here. Thus, the NAAFI, an architecturally important building (which English Heritage and Prof. Gould at Plymouth Uni have repeatedly said) with cultural and historic significance to Plymouth would have been a good case study in the context of the Plan for Plymouth and the maritime connection. The building was of very high quality and this was directly related to its original purpose. That it has been demolished is of long-term detriment to the city.

And yes, people do come to Plymouth to see the Civic Centre. I have had contact from somebody in Spain who wanted to study the building, as well as numerous French people with photos of the Civic Centre on their computers... Of the buildings that you mentioned, only the Guildhall (ironically, for its '50s interior) has ever been noted by EU tourists to me.

The typical Plymouth response - the plea of ignorance, the "I don't get it, how can anyone like that?" exclamantion and the reproach of the "experts" - is just not good enough anymore. Throwing our arms in the air gets us nowhere. If we really want to develop as a city, we need more people to take an interest in the city. That means people trying to get important buildings such as the NAAFI listed. There are plenty of other buildings of little importance (ie Mayflower Street) that can be demolished.”

“'demportboy' What are you going on about. I can assure you that tourists do no flock to Plymouth as you put it to look at crumbling civic centres or derelict red brick buildings. What students do bring however is an economy like it or not which helps sustain this city which incidently when the dockyard shrinks again in the very near future when the subs go will add more strain to its finances. Don't get me wrong, we have some great architecture, Library, The old palace theatre(a building which really does need saving) guildhall, prysten house, etc, but an old NAAFI building and concrete council building do me a favour.”

“Jimbo do you find that using capital letters in an attempt TO SHOUT VERY LOUDLY AND SHOW HOW ANGRY YOU ARE increases the likelihood that anyone is going to take a blind bit of notice of whatever you say? Do you find people respond to this in everyday life? Perhaps you should look up Beau Art Style and have another look at the Civic in an attempt to understand just how much the council has neglected the building over the years. You might also have a look at what's planned for the Woolworth's site and the Hoe Centre (both available here

http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/planningdoc-2?appno=10-00135-FUL

http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/planningdoc-2?appno=10-01163-FUL )

and consider whether tourists are likely to come flocking to Plymouth to see our world class collection of student accomodation.”

“All of you who are interested on what is planned for the Hoe Centre site should look at the designs on the Plymouth planning website, as I said before. One thing the UoP and it's designers have NOT done, is shown a representation of what Armada Way will look like with the Church of Christ the King on one side, and this monster development on the other, in ONE PICTURE. It would really put in context the overwhelming size of it.”

“Regards the Woolworths site, yes, it is a done deal. Recommendation made on 3/04/2010, according to PCC's planning website. This will be for a total of 608 student beds across 16, 21, & 23 floors. Add to this the Tothill Rd Site, just off Cattedown Roundabout, 250 student bed accommodation, and the Hoe Centre site, 552 student beds. A total of a further 1410 more student beds. All this, on top of the already considerable student halls presently available, I feel, is too many.
As to the Palace Theatre/Dance Academy: This is the subject of possible confiscation proceedings in September, until then it is still in the hands of a private individual who is in prison. It is already Grade 2 listed.”