“Jimbo - what tourists do come to see, however, is the history of a city, its culture, how the city has developed and what life means here. Thus, the NAAFI, an architecturally important building (which English Heritage and Prof. Gould at Plymouth Uni have repeatedly said) with cultural and historic significance to Plymouth would have been a good case study in the context of the Plan for Plymouth and the maritime connection. The building was of very high quality and this was directly related to its original purpose. That it has been demolished is of long-term detriment to the city.

And yes, people do come to Plymouth to see the Civic Centre. I have had contact from somebody in Spain who wanted to study the building, as well as numerous French people with photos of the Civic Centre on their computers... Of the buildings that you mentioned, only the Guildhall (ironically, for its '50s interior) has ever been noted by EU tourists to me.

The typical Plymouth response - the plea of ignorance, the "I don't get it, how can anyone like that?" exclamantion and the reproach of the "experts" - is just not good enough anymore. Throwing our arms in the air gets us nowhere. If we really want to develop as a city, we need more people to take an interest in the city. That means people trying to get important buildings such as the NAAFI listed. There are plenty of other buildings of little importance (ie Mayflower Street) that can be demolished.”

“'demportboy' What are you going on about. I can assure you that tourists do no flock to Plymouth as you put it to look at crumbling civic centres or derelict red brick buildings. What students do bring however is an economy like it or not which helps sustain this city which incidently when the dockyard shrinks again in the very near future when the subs go will add more strain to its finances. Don't get me wrong, we have some great architecture, Library, The old palace theatre(a building which really does need saving) guildhall, prysten house, etc, but an old NAAFI building and concrete council building do me a favour.”

“Jimbo do you find that using capital letters in an attempt TO SHOUT VERY LOUDLY AND SHOW HOW ANGRY YOU ARE increases the likelihood that anyone is going to take a blind bit of notice of whatever you say? Do you find people respond to this in everyday life? Perhaps you should look up Beau Art Style and have another look at the Civic in an attempt to understand just how much the council has neglected the building over the years. You might also have a look at what's planned for the Woolworth's site and the Hoe Centre (both available here

http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/planningdoc-2?appno=10-00135-FUL

http://www.plymouth.gov.uk/planningdoc-2?appno=10-01163-FUL )

and consider whether tourists are likely to come flocking to Plymouth to see our world class collection of student accomodation.”

“All of you who are interested on what is planned for the Hoe Centre site should look at the designs on the Plymouth planning website, as I said before. One thing the UoP and it's designers have NOT done, is shown a representation of what Armada Way will look like with the Church of Christ the King on one side, and this monster development on the other, in ONE PICTURE. It would really put in context the overwhelming size of it.”

“Regards the Woolworths site, yes, it is a done deal. Recommendation made on 3/04/2010, according to PCC's planning website. This will be for a total of 608 student beds across 16, 21, & 23 floors. Add to this the Tothill Rd Site, just off Cattedown Roundabout, 250 student bed accommodation, and the Hoe Centre site, 552 student beds. A total of a further 1410 more student beds. All this, on top of the already considerable student halls presently available, I feel, is too many.
As to the Palace Theatre/Dance Academy: This is the subject of possible confiscation proceedings in September, until then it is still in the hands of a private individual who is in prison. It is already Grade 2 listed.”

“Those of you talk about 'Beau Art style' of the civic centre have obviously never been there. Hoardings up to stop conctrete falling on peoples heads, holes around windows, No double glazing, no air con, freezing in winter, boiling in summer, high maintenance costs, high utility bills, totally out of date look. You can keep your 'Beau Art style'. GET REAL, GET WITH IT & GET RID!!!”

“Sad to see it go, another fine building gone forever. Also interesting, from sharon's post, ref planning application is the proposed new building for the old woolworth's store. Now im not saying the store should e saved but waht is proposd to go in its place is totally out of place. It towers above all excisting building around it. I fear that Plymouths lovely low level layout is under threat from these monster buildings going in their places. Does anyone know if this building application is a done deal. I would be really annoyed if PCC has allowed something of this size to go on this site. Developers must be rubbing their greedy hands together when they look at Plymouth and the rich picking there is to be had. Wake up PCC and the people of Plymouth we will soon have a place that is nothing as nice as we have now unless the way in which these planning application are dealt with. All these application should be made very public.”

“Finally, this whole thing should now go away. perhaps people should spend their time trying to save the dance academy!

this is one building which deserves to be saved. although, i don't see how a building like the civic centre can be listed, when the entrance had to be covered with a wooden 'hut' just incase bits of the building fall on people.

i'm probably never going to understand, but it's quite clear that something should be done about the dance academy building before it too falls too far beyond repair and one of plymouths jems is lost.”

“Yet another significant building to be eradicated. The sort of lunacy that went on after the war when many historical buildings were wiped away for the sake of progress.

As for the idiots who continually berate the Civic - it is one of the finest examples of the Beau Art style of architecture in the land, and as such, should (and is thankfully) being saved.

But what do most Plymothians think? - diddly squat. You cant educate pork...

Will we ever learn down here?”

“Yet another significant building to be eradicated. The sort of lunacy that went on after the war when many historical buildings were wiped away for the sake of progress.

As for the idiots who continually berate the Civic - it is one of the finest examples of the Beau Art style of architecture in the land, and as such, should (and is thankfully) being saved.

But what do most Plymothians think? - diddly squat. You cant educate pork...

Will we ever learn down here?”