HMS Plymouth could go to scrap
HMS PLYMOUTH, the last surviving warship to be built at Devonport, "will probably end up as razor blades".
That was the view of former MP for Plymouth Lord David Owen as he launched an outspoken attack on the Ministry of Defence, having failed to convince Devonport Naval Base to give the frigate a berth.
Lord Owen said he feared the ship, which was bombed in action during the Falklands War, would end up being sold for scrap.
"I have lost hope," Lord Owen said. "We seem to be incapable of building on our heritage."
He said it was "just pathetic" the MoD was dragging its heels over selling off the redundant South Yard at Devonport, where he would like to see a Falklands exhibition, with HMS Plymouth as its centrepiece.
He said the Commander of Devonport Naval Base, Commodore Ian Jess, told him last week there was no room to berth the frigate.
No 2 Dock, the listed dry dock which the project might have hoped to use, has had its gates removed in the past three months and was now tidal, making it impracticable.
Lord Owen said he did not blame Cdre Jess, who "has just been landed in the problem".
"The problem is the harbourmaster and the naval authorities," Lord Owen added. "Every obstacle has been put up. It's quite extraordinary – it's as if there is an element in the Royal Navy that wants to spite those fighting for HMS Plymouth.
"Who decided to remove the gates at No 2 Dock? Why remove them when you are about to sell the land? It would have been much more valuable with a functioning dock.
"South Yard is just sitting there rotting. It's pathetic. The one thing the MoD owes Plymouth is to get off the land and let the city use it.
"Go to Portsmouth and see what a fantastic tourist attraction it has become. Plymouth has nothing."
Mike Critchley, the chairman of Warship Management Ltd (WML), which has led the campaign to bring HMS Plymouth back to Plymouth as a tourist attraction, announced yesterday that he had given up.
"Three years of intensive efforts to return HMS Plymouth to her home port to go back on public display appear to have failed," the former Lieutenant Commander said. "I see the possibility of a breakers yard looming."
Plymouth city councillor Dr David Salter, who has supported the project in a personal capacity, said: "This outcome is a local and national disgrace.
"I cannot believe the apathy in Plymouth. It is outrageous that in her namesake city, with a huge waterfront and international maritime reputation, no place at all can be found for this historic warship with a proven ability to attract tourists and educate youngsters.
"The council says a project like this must stand on its own feet. There wouldn't be a council subsidy, and I won't be calling for one."
HMS Plymouth was bought by the charity the Warship Preservation Trust from the Ministry of Defence, and opened to the public at Plymouth, Glasgow and, since 1991, Birkenhead on Merseyside. Mr Critchley said she had 88,000 visitors in the first year in Plymouth.
He said her owners had been made offers to sell her for scrap.
Mr Critchley said money raised by former crew members in the HMS Plymouth Association and other donors was enough to buy the vessel and tow her from Merseyside to Plymouth, but possible berths had been blocked by development and berthing costs.
A chapel was built into HMS Plymouth as a memorial to all the British seafarers lost in the South Atlantic in 1982.
"Many a parent and family member has returned to the ship over the years to see their son's name on the chapel oak panels," Mr Critchley said.
Historic ships campaigner Sid Anning said the National Heritage Bill, now going through Parliament, contained a "glaring omission" because it will only protect ships on slipways or in dry docks.
HMS Plymouth Association, which raised £30,000 to try to save the warship, said it regretted WML's decision.
"Many view the failure to find a suitable berth as symptomatic of a society willing to expose its members to all manner of dangers, but once the immediate need is satisfied, equally willing to ignore their subsequent needs," the association said.
A naval base spokeswoman said: "As she is a privately owned vessel the MoD has no practical role to play in her placement or usage."
She said no final decisions had been taken on the future of South Yard, which was part of a larger rationalisation of the Naval Base.
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by R Reed, Cardiff
Wednesday, September 16 2009, 2:39PM
“Cardiff would not save HMS Cardiff even though a berth was offered and Plymouth will not save HMS Plymouth. Perhaps they should twin both cities as neither seem to care about their maritime past.”
by Shaun, Essex
Thursday, June 18 2009, 11:39AM
“Its June 2009 and have a look at http://www.thisistotalessex.co.uk/latestnews/MALDON-HMS-Plymouth-plan-boost-tourism/article-1088103-detail/article.html
I new attempt to offer the Plymouth a home.”
by David Forbes, east dunbartonshire
Sunday, May 10 2009, 12:55PM
“I spent hours onboard this fine ship albeit as a paying customer at Vittoria Docks in Birkenhead. I cannot understand these people who are ignoring our pleas to save this Falklands Veteran , intentionally or not. This year (2009) she will celebrate her 50 years of her launch IN PLYMOUTH.What better birthday present could we give her than saving her from the cutter's torch for the nation. Why don't they want her in Plymouth?”
by Trevor Waddington, Wiltshire
Thursday, April 30 2009, 6:27PM
“I served in HMS Plymouth 1972-3. The ship is a fine memorial to the Falklands conflict and has much potential as a tourist attraction in South Yard, Devonport. Come on city council - be imaginative and save her before it's too late!”
by ray Colby, Moreton Wirral
Monday, March 23 2009, 9:16PM
“Iserved on the Plymouth from oct 68 to may 71 and I was proud to serve on her I see her at least three times a week in Birkenhead docksand I feel sad at the way she has been treated so why can't Plymouth City Council bring the old lady home as a tribute to a great city with a fantastic naval history and as a memorial to the Falklands war and those who fell in that conflict why is it people in authority are keen to forget this countries great history the way things are going our childrens children will not be able hear, see or read about what people in history have done for our great country this goverment likes to throw billions of pounds away at banks who are ruining this country how about a few million to save this countrys heritage”
by Wayne Marston, East Yorkshire
Wednesday, January 14 2009, 9:27AM
“I visited the Royal Yacht in Edinburgh and very enjoyable it was, why on earth can't a major city like Plymouth create a museum piece of part of their heritage or are you all trying to change to something your not. Plymouth is a Naval City with roots going back generations, 100s of years. Probably longer than most other maritime ports, not something to move away from and hide your past.
A warship built in your once proud city, named after your city with a meritable war record a measly sum to secure her for the future, what needs thinking about. Get her alongside, ventilate her,give her a quick tart up and at least give it a go for a weekend or 2 in the summer with some appropriate advertising. What can you loose. Edinburgh built a shopping centre around the Royal Yacht think of the extra visitors to the DrakeCircus centre plus somewher for dads and kids to go while mums shopping. What about corporate functions in the wardroon as per Royal Yacht. The possibilities are many. Look at what the yanks do. Be passionate about your heritage.”
by Ex LRO(W) Mo, Brora
Thursday, December 18 2008, 1:52PM
“From all accounts, one of my old ships HMS Llandaff is still in use by the Bangladesh Navy and it is nice to know as we ex Navy folk have memories of our ships and submarines which are important to us. HMS Plymouth may only be ships side grey and not the nice yellow, black and brown of HMS Victory, but in years to come the citizens and tourists to Plymouth would have enjoyed a tour of such a ship. If Pompy can do it and make a profit then why not Guzz. If the MOD go ahead with dismantling HMS Plymouth, then it will be just another reason for my wife and I to NEVER return to Plymouth - shame as I always liked Plymouth and the city has (had) great potential.”
by Martin, Liverpool
Wednesday, December 10 2008, 12:40PM
“Succinctly put Andrew”
by Andrew Rutter, Hagley Worcestershire
Saturday, December 06 2008, 11:20PM
“It is rather tragic for Britain that so many good folk are concerned about saving HMS Plymouth and other ships and are not finding the authorities in tune with their ideas, as can be seen by the multitude of comments. Similarly to Plymouth there seems to be a great lack of support in other maritime areas such as Merseyside and Liverpool. Not only did the Warships Trust fold because of "development" of the Birkenhead dock in which they were moored, but none of the other maritime schemes have been successful. The SS Manxman has not found a home on Mersyside where she was built, nor HMS Whimbrel brought back from Egypt as the "Battle of the Atlantic" memorial ship. She could have been displayed imaginatively similarly to HMS Plymouth's plans. HMS Bronington, Prince Charles's command, is now to be broken up as no support can be found for even a small minesweeper. Glasgow will not now have the liner Empress of Britain, nor Southampton the Windsor Castle. HMS Vengeance, the last WW II aircraft carrier did not sail back to Falmouth, but sailed to an Indian scrapping beach. Our European neighbours are preserving larger vessels than HMS Plymouth and HMS Whimbrel, the SS Rotterdam, a trans-Atlantic liner, is now moored in the Port of Rotterdam, and the Sagafjord, another liner, will be most likely moored in Stockholm. The Nation could not even keep the last traditional Atlantic Liner in the country, QE 2. Even in the air the restored-to-flight Vulcan bomber that took part in the Falklands War is now at risk of grounding after all the time, money and and work done by a fantastic team achieving, against the odds, an airworthy aircraft; and the only flying example. Let it not be forgotten that when these port cities need tourists after the 'credit crunch' has been sorted, and children require a tangible piece of history to explore, either for school work, or for interests sake, and survivors of battles and their families and friends can gain solace from what was achieved in giving the ultimate sacrifice, the preservation of such warships is much more than an accountancy exercise. The USA have preserved many of their warships in States that bear their name as memorials to the seamen lost, mostly, from WW II. Oh yes I forgot Merseyside will have a warship on view, U534, but that's German, and it is cut up into 4 pieces! So they will have a memorial to the Vanquished, but not the Victor!”
by The Joss, Guzz, Portland & York
Friday, December 05 2008, 7:28PM
“HMS Plymouth generated sufficient income to maintain itself in Birkenhead, along with a small museum gift shop. With the right organsiation and management there is no reason why it couldn't become the centre piece of Plymouths very own heritage attraction. Think outside the box, Drake, the Pilgrim Fathers and the 1st Eddistone lighthouse all belong to Plymouth. Important parts of our and what have you to show the world? just a lighthouse! Never mind you can do guided tours of the disused dockyard once the navy pull out. And they will, there is neither budget or justification for three dockyards. They said that Chatham would never go, how wrong they were. Look to the future and plan now instead of belittling history. And to those who think that preservation of a heap of scrap metal is a waste and a whimsical idea should look at what they have around them, slowly but surely bit by bit our heritage is lost, developers allow listed buildings to fall down so that they can develope the land. The local authorities allow them to do so. Imagine the uproar and public outrage that would follow if the Victory was allowed to rot away or the Mary Rose was left to decay! after all they are only ships that have served their purpose and no longer have any significance in todays world. They are outdated lumps of wood. And yet millions of pounds are poured into their maintenance and up keep which could be better spent housing the homeless or used to bale out the multitude of failing businesses.
A radical solution no doubt one that will ellicit much response. In the era of the Victory it was precisely the same type of argument that ensured its preservation for later generations.
As for me, personally I don't care what you do, I'm never coming to Plymouth again, why should I theres nothing to see, just a couple of big shops and a few old houses down by the Barbican. The rest of your history you have converted into low cost housing for the rich.”