Hell Fire theology
BARRY Toolan (The Herald, September 25) takes issue with me over my comments about Hell Fire theology.
So let me say at the start, that if Hell exists, it exists as a consequence of human behaviour and not as a punishment imposed by God.
A theme I intimated in my response to Gareth Jones, when I talked of "Reaping what you sow", and I would refer him to my analogy of warning my children about playing with fire. Had my children ignored my warning and got burnt, they would have had no one to blame but themselves. Getting burnt would have been the consequence of their disobedience, and nothing to do with me punishing them.
So allow me to clarify.
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Hell, if it exists, is a consequence of human misbehaviour, and what God in Christ has done, is to provide us all with a means of escape.
At Calvary, Christ took the rap for us all, but each and every one of us has to make a choice.
We have to accept God's way of escape, or suffer the consequence of our rejection of His remedy.
In other words we will reap what we have sown.
Now Mr Toolan if you and Gareth Jones, really believe men and women are going to an Eternal Hell, then I suggest you have a responsibility to spend every second of your days, warning folk of their appalling danger.
As I stated, it is estimated that some 160,000 people pass into eternity every day.
So given your belief, how dare you sit watching TV.
Such belief has to be proactive 24/7, 365 days a year.
Anything less and I feel justified in questioning your sincerity and belief.
I rest my case.
JOHN J JONES
Plymouth
Comments
by CornishPirate
Monday, October 01 2012, 4:41PM
“@CharlieDodd;
1. You have shown yourself to be a very egotistical person;
"I've been decking atheists on net discussion forums for many years and have never lost a religious debate..;)
What usually happens is that they can't take the hammering I give them so they ban me like the cowards they are!"
2. You believe yourself to be some sort of superhuman;
"That unearthly low-pitched hum you hear is me pulsating with superhuman spiritual power".
3. You believe yourself to be some sort of highly lauded internet champion;
"I'm in sensational action all over the net".
"Dream on mate, I've been winning debates on forums for the past 10 years".
4. You compare yourself to boxers and other celebrities;
"The contenders are wandering around the ring like dazed zombies under the terrific pounding I'm giving them".
"If this was a boxing match the referee would have stepped in long before now to stop the contest to save them from further punishment".
5. You are only too happy to further inflate your big headed-ness by frequently copying and pasting apparent 'fan mail'.
"Benjoman - "Your one of the only ones from the singles board that I still love"
Ainglkiss - "Keep up the great work"
BlessedOne - "Glad to have you here! Jesus is the way!"
MonkGirl - "Wow, thank you! That is really comforting...and all I really needed to hear!"
JeffC - "HELL YEAH! PREACH IT BROTHER, THE REALITY WAY! (LUV YUR STYLE....)"
Considering this - maybe you should read the following verses;
Proverbs 16:18 - "Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall"
Matthew 23:12 - "Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted"
1 Peter 5:5 - "God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble"
Matthew 11:29 - "learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart"
(Haughty = Arrogant superiority. Pride = An excessively high opinion of oneself. Exalt = To praise highly or glorify)
By quoting the bible doesn't for a second mean I believe it - but since you believe so strongly in it - I am just fighting fire with fire here.
Now.... You base nearly every single comment you make on the bible and its verses, quoting the bible in 99% of your responses.
I'm interested to know why I've never seen you post these particular verses? Do you enjoy being a big headed annoyance to the general population of online users, regardless of how your apparent God or Jesus want you to act? Are you aware that you are acting in a very un-Christian manner?
The way you have conducted yourself online recently is in direct contradiction to what Jesus expects of you and contradicts what they bible asks of you, therefore I cannot take you or your beliefs seriously when you are being such a hypocrite.”
by CornishPirate
Monday, October 01 2012, 4:00PM
“@CharlieDodd - Yeah, great news for them... not so much for us.”
by blogtodi
Monday, October 01 2012, 8:49AM
“Banned again, CharlieBob? Doesn't that tell you something?”
by niugnepyzarc
Saturday, September 29 2012, 7:34PM
“You don't debate charlie debating has a point u simply post extracts from a fictional book that means nothing hence why ur now being told to **** off where ever u post ur nothing but a sad little internet troll.”
by CharlieDodd
Saturday, September 29 2012, 7:23PM
“Great new guys, the mighty Science Foundation have just blocked me from leaving comments in their youtube thread; I'd been debating with them for a solid month and scoring point after point with my wicked left jab, so they've thrown in the towel and blocked me because they couldn't go the distance!
Winning debates is what we holy men DO..:)
"They couldn't beat Paul in arguments because of his wisdom and the spirit" (Acts 6:10)”
by niugnepyzarc
Saturday, September 29 2012, 7:09PM
“Haha damn auto correct deleting entire words now! I meant the jehovas witnesses technique (well that's how I treat em when they come a preaching lol)”
by niugnepyzarc
Saturday, September 29 2012, 7:08PM
“Its pretty clear the jehovas witnesses is the way to go with Charlie the basketcase, ie no point trying to reason you cannot reason with a fool, simply tell him to **** off and ignore the ******.”
by Vinnie_Gar
Saturday, September 29 2012, 7:02PM
“But Charlie/Mick/Jonny/Bob etc
You never address the main point which is that its a load of horse poop.”
by niugnepyzarc
Saturday, September 29 2012, 6:40PM
“Charlie you call it teaching I Call it preachy ********, as stated before save it for church or **** off.....we do not want to know trust me mate,.”
by Nevman
Saturday, September 29 2012, 3:10PM
“Unlike you, CharlieBob, I don't obsessively keep a copy of every thread I take part in. At least I can't bore people by quoting chapter and verse from discussions of other topics which took place months ago.
But you know very well which distortions and lies I'm referring to: the lies you tell about atheists and your tedious habit of out-of-context quoting - from the bible, from your limited film collection and from what others say.
There's also the small matter of you ducking every question you can't answer, as you're doing here. Don't kid yourself, CharlieBob - I understand you only too well.”