Call for truth over Plymouth's naval future

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THE Government was today urged to come clean over the future of Devonport’s frigate fleet after a senior defence source said the warships would move to Portsmouth.

Politicians and business leaders insisted Whitehall should make an immediate announcement after the latest leak appeared to confirm speculation that Plymouth would lose its 11 Type 22 and 23 vessels and thousands of service personnel.

South West Devon MP Gary Streeter told the Government to ‘be brave and give us the bad news’.

Charles Howeson, chairman of the Plymouth Area Business Council, said losing the ships would change the naval base, with it losing virtually all its fleet, and pressed the Government to ‘come clean early’.

City council leader Vivien Pengelly said the leak was ‘either a piece of kite flying by the Navy’s ‘other city’ or shows the Ministry of Defence’s complete disdain for its long and deep relationship with Plymouth’.

The Tory councillor said: “The time has come for the Ministry of Defence to do what they have promised – give us the complete story on Devonport’s future role.”

The leaked information was seen by defence industry sources as part of a ‘softening up process’ before the official release of devastating news.

The Ministry of Defence, however, denied any decision on the ships had been made and said there was no  date for the Maritime Change Programme announcement.

And Sutton’s Labour MP Linda Gilroy said she had spoken to Armed Forces Minister Bob Ainsworth and said the leaked information was ‘wrong’. But she said this was because ‘no decisions have been made’.

When Mr Ainsworth visited Plymouth in February he apologised for the city being kept in suspense, but stressed Devonport would act as a base-port for frigates for the next five years, although the decision could be reviewed within that time.

Mrs Gilroy reiterated ‘there will be no change for five years’ and added: “There are thousands of people in this city that would give their eye teeth for five years’ certainty.”

But she said the naval base could expect change, there could be ‘comings and goings’, but that this, and what the city might ‘gain’, would be made clear in ‘the coming weeks’.

“There are opportunities as well as threats,” she said.

But Mr Streeter told The Herald: “I’m 99 per cent certain this decision has been taken.  I think a formal announcement will come in the next few weeks. We are expecting the frigates to go. We need to plan for what comes next.”

The Tory MP said losing the frigates could mean between 1,000 and 4,000 people, including highly-skilled, well-paid, service personnel, leaving the area.

“It’s going to be a kick in the guts,” he said. “We are talking about the impact on the local economy and what happens to that (naval base) real estate. Is the Government going to put money up to make it viable for commercial use?”

But he said that while confirmation would mean ‘a very black day’ for the city, he also stressed: “It’s not the end of Plymouth. It has a future after the frigates. But we can’t start planning that until they tell us.”

Plymouth has been on tenter hooks for more than a year since ‘senior defence sources’ told a national newspaper that Devonport would lose its surface fleet to Portsmouth leading to closure of the naval base by 2013.

The Government, which decided Britain’s three naval bases would remain after a 2007 a review, stressed Devonport was key to submarine operations, particularly nuclear, although it would lose retiring Trafalgar class vessels and replacement Astutes would go to Faslane.

But speculation continued to grow that the frigates would be transferred, especially after routine frigate maintenance was shifted to Portsmouth last June.

MoD sources now say it ‘makes sense’ to have all the frigates and destroyers in Portsmouth. The source reportedly told the BBC: “Portsmouth is the home of the Royal Navy and it will be the home of the operational fleet.”

Mrs Pengelly, who accused Mr Ainsworth of backtracking, said Plymouth needed to know what ships would be here and for how long.

She wanted answers on what surface ship refit work would be committed to Devonport, what the Government’s intention was on dismantling nuclear submarines and how the city would be compensated for any loss of service personnel and jobs related to the frigates.

“The Government needs to come clean and start a sensible dialogue with us on what it will do to help us  deliver regeneration and growth,” she said.

Mr Howeson said he believed the frigates would be moved, and said: “This is bound to affect the city’s economy, not just in terms of support for that considerable number of ships but also because of the large number of families  who support our secondary economy. It could lead to a significant population shrinkage.”

Tim Jones, chairman of the Devon and Cornwall Business Council, said losing the warships would be ‘devastating’ and demanded a ‘taskforce’ be set up to deal with the fallout.

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    by Ben Gillespie, London

    Sunday, April 19 2009, 12:04AM

    “Calm down everyone, no decision has been made yet. However, very worrying rumours!”

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    by Bob, Fife

    Friday, April 17 2009, 8:51PM

    “This is a massive blow to Plymouth and the area! I work in Rosyth, and have done for 13 years. The whole business with Naval base closure was done and dusted by the time I started there, but this news raises fresh questions! The new submarines that will replace the Devonport based T class will be based in Faslane and won't ever need refuelling, so that lucrative market will disappear soon too! What will Devonport be left with? Will it be long before Ocean, Albion and Bulwark head east too???. A far cry from last years news reports claiming that Devonport will be better off than Portsmouth with the Naval Defence Review!! I think its an absolute sin seeing as Plymouth is by far a nicer place than Portsmouth, a far more capable base than Portsmouth and has a workforce that has come so much further than that employed by BVT in Portsmouth! Been to both places frequently and have seen the difference in the two yards. Night and day! I even saw a Pompey docky fishing off a Cassion once! outstanding! The biggest worry is my company, Babcock has the reigns in Devonport now. The close down kings! They dice, and they slice till they have something worth keeping! This sort of news isn't going to be anything new to a company who bought the place for £350m 18months ago! Got to be a bigger game plan going on!!!”

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    by Bulldogger, UK not EU.

    Friday, April 17 2009, 3:46PM

    “BlueAden, Portsmouth has an entirely valid point, and there's no point crying in your beer when the opportunity to prevent this happening was enthusiastically thrown away by West Country self-importance and its associated and considerable ignorance.

    In the D-Day celebrations of 1994, just a little before the events, came the famous and idiotic Plymouth Evening Herald Headline 'DON'T GO TO PORTSMOUTH, MR. PRESIDENT'. Followed only a little later by leering and crowing of the loss of the Refit Contracts from Scotland to Devonport (to a company I wouldn't entrist the repair of a fibreglass canoe to, without knowing it would come out six weeks late, with the original leak unrepaired and another ten faults having appeared in the period....) the most insulting display of self-satisfaction in destroying jobs elsewhere seen in this country in decades.

    What went around has now come around.

    Welcome to your bitter pill. It will go well with your sour grapes on display here.”

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    by Will W, Portsmouth

    Thursday, April 16 2009, 11:11PM

    “Will (Gosport) you are wrong when you say there isn't enough accom for sailors...there is plenty of room at Fort Blockhouse plus all the other local establishments! Portsmouth has all the required infrastructure. Face it the ships are moving! That doesn't mean Plymouth Dockyard doesn't have a future as it will probably become an Amphip Centre (RM)...there will be some 'gains'.”

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    by Will, Gosport

    Thursday, April 16 2009, 10:45PM

    “Glad I left the Mob in answer to your final question the Councilors and Politicains are paid more than us Service Personnel. However, when the Rises were announced I was delighted to discover that the Politicians and Councilors had the pay rises reduced.

    Also on the note of Politicians and Councilors who have so much say in the running of the Country a question i am keen to know is why do we have a Rank Structure in our services who are specialised to get to reach Rear Admiral, General etc but it is the Policticians/ Councilors who have no idea of what really happens who get to say where are forces will serve.”

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