Plymouth vicar calling for Synod to vote no to women bishops
A Plymouth vicar is leading the campaign against a new law allowing women bishops as the Church of England prepares to vote on the subject tomorrow.
The General Synod is to hold a series of votes tomorrow which could see bishops, the clergy and lay people deciding to allow women to become Bishops.
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Prebendary Rod Thomas,
The outgoing Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams and his replacement the Rt Rev Justin Welby, are in favour of the legislation - which needs a two-thirds majority to pass.
But some in the church are against the move - and Plymouth vicar Rod Thomas is calling on the synod to vote against it.
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Prebendary Rod Thomas, vicar of St Matthews in Elburton, and chairman of conservative evangelical group Reform, has called for members to vote against the legislation saying it does not meed the needs of 'traditionalists'.
He said: "The provision [the legislation] makes for people like us is completely inadequate for the longer term.
"We know that it is on a knife-edge - we think that, depending on which way the debate goes on the day, there could be enough people to stop the measure going through."
If approved by the synod the decision will have to be approved by Parliament and Royal Assent before the first women bishops could take office in 2014.
The first women priests were ordained in 1994.
The Reform group believes that women and men should have different roles.
They say it is not appropriate for women to take a position of overall leadership, but that men and women should encourage one another in their separate roles.
Women should not be overall leaders, they say, because the church would become feminised.
The move would "distort the created order" and distort the Gospel.
If the synod agrees to the change, it will also seek to make some provision for those like Preb Thomas who, for theological reasons, will not be able to receive their ministry.
Comments
by Richard69
Monday, November 19 2012, 10:00PM
“Maybe they are afraid the women will keep the choir boys safe ;)”
by CharlieDodd
Monday, November 19 2012, 8:30PM
“Jesus replaced the harsh bits of the Old testament with the enlightened NEW Testament, (the clue is in the name), and people quickly cottoned on-
"The covenant of Jesus is superior to the old one" (Heb 8:6-13)
and he went round doing stuff like saving adulteresses from being stoned.
He made it clear that he wasn't God and was only doing what God was telling him to do and say-
"I say nothing of my own accord, i only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)”
by paulmh66
Monday, November 19 2012, 7:42PM
“If you read the bible from cover to cover, I guarantee there will be something in there to suit any situation. It's bogus and was translated to suit the times and society, and definitely not verbatim. Most of the original scrolls and tablets were in unknown and forgotten languages.”
by kevinarmes
Monday, November 19 2012, 7:25PM
“Charlie, Jesus claimed he WAS god, therefore christianity is as malignant in the new testament as god was a nasty piece of work in the old testament. Give me one good reason why I should take moral guidance or parenting advice from a father who drowned thousands of his own family? :-)”
by timplymouth
Monday, November 19 2012, 7:14PM
“You forgot the stonings, Charlie”
by CharlieDodd
Monday, November 19 2012, 6:34PM
“Christianity seems okay to me..:)
"Love one another, feed the hungry, house the homeless, clothe the destitute, tend the sick, visit the prisoners, look after the poor"-Jesus of Nazareth (Mark 12:30, John 13:34, Matt 25: 37-40)”
by kevinarmes
Monday, November 19 2012, 6:00PM
“Sadly the man is taking his lead from his holy book. You the one; the one that advocates slavery, has no commandment outlawing rape, contains horrific stories of genocide, infanticide, incest and paedophilia, watched over and in many cases supported by a monstrous deity who declares himself to be so jealous and vengeful that he will torture for eternity anyone who fails to bow in subservience to him. My only surprise is that there are any women prepared to join his band of misogynistic, deluded clergy when the all the Abrahamic religions have used scripture to treat women as second rate humans for centuries. Let's not forget we're talking about a god who claims to have impregnated a virgin without her consent in order to procreate and in all cultures that should clearly be defined as rape. It's time these theists came to the only logical conclusion that their fairy stories of the supernatural, passed down by primitive goat-herders are just that, myths and legends that should be as relevant to a modern mankind as Thor, Santa Claus and Harry Potter!”
by CharlieDodd
Monday, November 19 2012, 3:34PM
“Who runs the show, stuffy anti-women clerics or the Bible? Check it guys-
"In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will preach, On my servants, BOTH MEN AND WOMEN, I will pour out my Spirit in those days, AND THEY WILL SPEAK." (Joel 2:28-32)
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, MALE NOR FEMALE, for you are ALL ONE in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28 )
"I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant of the church in Cenchrea..she has been a great help to many people, including me..
Greet Priscilla , my fellow worker in Christ Jesus, she risked her life for me.
Greet Mary, who worked very hard for you..
Greet Tryphena and Tryphosa and Persis, those women who work hard in the Lord.
Greet Rufus, chosen in the Lord, and his mother, who has been a mother to me, too.
Greet Julia.." (Romans ch 16)”
by bongaloo
Monday, November 19 2012, 12:46PM
“I think someone may be a bit afraid of some competition from the other sex.
He wears a frock, women wear frocks, its just some dna and bodily shape that's the difference.
He said: "The provision [the legislation] makes for people like us is completely inadequate for the longer term
I gather he may be feeling inadequate against women...Women know your limits”
by shankenstein
Monday, November 19 2012, 11:54AM
“Looks like a mutated Tony Blair - clearly hasn't any opinions worth taking seriously.”