“@godlesslife
Do think that Christianity should have priority over other religious positions AT THE EXPENSE OF THE EQUAL RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF RELIGION?" Depends how you define RELIGION. Why should religions have equal right to freedom in the first place, this isn't a race to the finish or maybe it is. Christianty is extremely old religion. In an age of equality there seems to be a desire to pidgeon hole any religion to fit a purpose or to degrade and destroy "if" necessary, Christianity is just one example of how movements like yours have come to dominate the position of Christianity with a desire to destroy another form of belief. People should have the individual choice to choose what they feel is right for them, without any EQUAL RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF RELIGION. Why should their be a level playing field to begin with. Who sets the rules that dictate or make it so?. Why should a secular movement want to destroy Christianity for the betterment of itself. I'm not a Christian, so I cannot answer your question.

It's a good job Christians are rapidly disappearing from the rank and file. Your extinction is further served by your actions here on this forum. mygodlesslife

Your previous comment only serves to remind me that you have a dislike for Christians/Christianity, and a utter disrespect for others that hold a different belief to the ideology that you preach.”

“@esotericage3

You still evade the question.

Do think that Christianity should have priority over other religious positions AT THE EXPENSE OF THE EQUAL RIGHT TO FREEDOM OF RELIGION?”

“@mygodlesslife
Well that may be your opinion on what you believe secularism to be, however it is an incorrect one. And one I see very clearly in the writings and styles of those that oppose freedom of religion and equality for all before the law.

Who are you to say what is right or wrong. I do not oppose freedom of religious expression. When you talk of the law, what law are you stating here. We have three laws active in the UK. Corporate law, common law & European law. Turning those who don't share your opinion/ideology of atheism as a belief into those who oppose such a concept/belief is blantantly wrong.

You are the very reason why secularism is desirable. Who would want to have you guys tell us what our rights are if you can't even understand the basics? It's a good job Christians are rapidly disappearing from the rank and file.

I'm not a Christian, "if" you cared to observe what I wrote. Secularism is just an extention of the new age religions that have appeared more recently in our human time. All I see is the evidence of a new age of influence. I only have to look at the social structure of society to see that Political Correctness and the group think mentality are new age concepts.

Your extinction is further served by your actions here on this forum.

It just goes to show that you have total contempt for other beliefs other than your own ideological belief. Its very clear to me that humanist/secularist movement wants to stamp it's agenda firmly on anyone it pleases, no matter whether you wish to believe or not. This to me is more about creating a dictatoral agenda of controlling what people want to believe, and marginalising what humans want to believe. Secularism also is the belief in Communism. Quite fitting, considering the state we're in as of now. Humanism/athesim are very similar in their construct. Both prefer a Godless world, but led by a scientific overlay. A society led by experts rather than individual thought. Man & woman should be able to exist free from any form of controlling thought. Whether that would be man made religion, humanist, athesim etc... Whenever people, groups or movements try to force or coerce me as an individual into a ideological belief I know that their's an ulterior motive behind it.

There's always a Common reason for why secularism has become so popular. Its purpose is very clear, and its motive is not a pretty one.”

“@esotericage3

Well that may be your opinion on what you believe secularism to be, however it is an incorrect one. And one I see very clearly in the writings and styles of those that oppose freedom of religion and equality for all before the law.

I feel my definition is closer in every detail to the generally understood terminology, and it is not wrapped up in the theistic non-cognitivism that you feel it is necessary to couch it in.

Secularism is not a religion in any form of the definition, and you attempt to wrap it up as one is dishonest and does not reflect the usage of the word (outside of those that wish to demonise it).

But you go further than just saying secularism is a religion. You equate secularism with atheism. By this, I infer, that you think atheism - the lack of belief in the existence of a god or gods - is a religion?

Hahahahahahaaaaaaa.

Thanks you guys. As infuriating as your arguments are, you have given this wizzened activist a good laugh today with you utter disregard for honesty, logic, critical thought and reason.

You are the very reason why secularism is desirable. Who would want to have you guys tell us what our rights are if you can't even understand the basics? It's a good job Christians are rapidly disappearing from the rank and file. Your extinction is further served by your actions here on this forum.

Congrats.

Look, answer the question properly, or let it slide. You can't be ashamed of the answer, can you? If you are right, of course. Answer it, don't answer it. It is up to you, but I am otherwise done listening to your nonsense.”

“@Charlespk

You refusal to answer the question, for what ever reason you may wish to ascribe, leads me to conclude that the genuine answer lies in the fact that you do think that Christianity should have priority over other religious positions at the expense of the equal right to freedom of religion?

You do not, then, believe in equality in law for the freedom of religion?

If you disagree with this observation, feel free to correct me. If, however, you continue to evade the question, it will be abundantly clear to everyone here that you either do not have the ability to understand the question, or you are a religious bigot that doesn't care about equality or rights.

Your choice.

With regard to the genetic nature of ginger hair. You are right. It is entirely genetic. Whilst there is evidence to suggest that there is a genetic level towards homosexuality, environmental factors play more of a role in sexuality. So comparing hair colour and sexual preference in this context is of no intrinsic value. Quite what this has to do with my medical knowledge, I am sure I do not know. I have not studied medicine, but evolutionary biology is one of my degree subjects, so genetics is something I can speak of with more than a modicum of experience and training.

You cannot refer 'a God'. It is grammatically incorrect. 'God' is a proper noun, hence its capitalisation. If you are trying to refer to a singular concept 'a god' that is not the Christian God, then there is no requirement for you to capitalise it. You can also use the lower case term in the following sense, 'The Christian god, Yahweh'.

I have already granted to you that this is, in many respects, a Christian country. I do not see why you keep pushing this on me as if I don't get your point. It only serves to solidify in other's minds what I have already stated, though; that you do not care about equality and peoples rights to freedom of religion fly out of the window when it is not your religion that is being threatened. This is the definition of bigotry.

I suspect you may consider calling me the bigot in kind, but let me state clearly here, and on the record, that I do not wish to take your faith from you, and I will defend your right to freedom of religion with the same level 'militancy' that I defend my own freedom from religion. This is the premise of secularism that you do not want to admit to, because it commits your character to an absolute quality of bigotry.

You can advise me all you like, I'll talk down to whom I please; especially those that seek to rob people of their rights before the law.”

“'Prayer ban is introduced at first West council meetings'

Thank God for that.

This is not an attack on Christianity, it is a ban on all religious observance at council meetings.

Religious belief should be a personal thing and not forced upon those that do not wish to participate.”

“That should read... secularism is "the belief" without a God or creator.
Apologise for that mistake.”

“@mygodlesslife
From my point of view, "secularism" as an idelogoical philosphy is replacing Christianty as a new form of "world religion" like all those before, just as fantatical, and just as convinced that its outlook as a new religion is the only one that should be followed. I've seen all of this before, whether medieval Christianty of old (and new) Islam, and now we are hearing them again, this time in a new world religion, the one that gives a unique view of God, other religions and how life should be lived is what I call the "religion of secularism." Its aim has been clear to me, to replace traditional religion on the 'back burner' of life and install a completely new view and outlook on life. Secular religion teaches a very different credo from the Christian stand point. A more humanist vision that serves as a more selfish philosophy.

A religion is the belief concerning the divine
Secularism is 'the belief' a reference to a God/creator.

Secularism has defined the concept of democracy and proclaims it the highest and finest of of government. The majority rule is law, regardless of the will of the minority. Today in the UK as with most of the western world we have what has been defined as a culture war between Conservatism & Liberalism, both left & right of the paradigm are being played off one another to the benefit of those that drive the idea of secularism. Today, the war is between the religion of the old Bible teachings (Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) versus the religion of the new order, "anti-religion" of secularism, a one world religion if you wish. There's no way of getting around the fact that secularism is just atheism, atheism is bound to Darwinism, so that makes man a non spiritual entity, devoid of the divine spark of the creator. Love over rational thinking. I fully understand what secularism means in all its forms. I'm neither a Christian nor secularist. I just don't like the fact that their are those who deem it their right to impose a secularist philosophy upon humanity for their own gain and others. All this is about is controlling the consious thoughts of men and women. I do not share your ideology of secular belief mygodlesslife.”

“Of course that should read son of the Virgin Mary.”

“I rarely answer questions, neither do I do 'Facebook' or 'Twitter'. Ginger hair will not preclude you from any human activity. It is not an abomination.

Ginger hair is a normal genetic variation.

Your medical knowledge is obviously non-existent.

I refer to 'a' God not 'the' God. . It does not matter what God anyone worships.

This is a Christian country revolving around Jesus Christ, son of God the Father, daughter of the Virgin Mary.

I would caution against trying to talk down to me.

http://tinyurl.com/3mocwcz”