Plan to cut up nuclear submarines and scrap them in Plymouth will go public next year
PLANS to cut up and scrap nuclear submarines in Devonport are to be scrutinised by the public next autumn.
The Herald has learnt that the Ministry of Defence (MoD) is looking to stage its public consultation next year over the controversial proposals.
The MoD is considering 12 sites for the storage of redundant submarines and just two, including Plymouth, for the more controversial dismantling work. Plymouth already refits, de-fuels and refuels submarines at Devonport Naval Base.
The Submarine Dismantling Project could see 27 de-fuelled nuclear submarines being stored and cut up at Devonport over the next 60 years.
City council leaders and anti-nuclear groups have already registered their opposition to Plymouth becoming a "nuclear scrapyard".
The former Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, previously told The Herald safety and security would be "paramount" in disposing of redundant nuclear submarines.
"We have not put any dates on it yet but with the SDSR happening, nothing of that nature is happening now," said an MoD spokesman.
"The public consultation will have to be after the SDSR. And autumn 2011 will not be far off the mark."
It is also believed a strategic environmental assessment looking at the environmental impact of the project, has been completed.
Its findings will be fed into the public consultation.
The former Labour defence minister, Quentin Davies, told The Herald in February that the public consultation was planned to take place during 2010.
An announcement on preferred locations for the decommissioning project was also expected this year.
But the Submarine Dismantling Project, which is overseeing the consultation, was rocked by two resignations last year.
Dr Jane Hunt resigned from the steering committee after being sacked from the advisory group to make way for a PR company.
And veteran anti-nuclear campaigner Peter Lanyon resigned in support of Dr Hunt, saying the MoD had "employed a public relations company that specialises in getting for its client what its client wants".
This, twinned with the new coalition Government ordering a Strategic Defence and Security Review this year, has meant the consultation date has slipped into next year.
Ministers have previously said a decision on where the submarines will be scrapped will not be made until the public have their say.










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by Steve, Plymouth
Saturday, August 21 2010, 5:59PM
“Send the dead subs to Rosyth. Let them run the commissioning program.
Send Babcock and all the contractor cowboy health physics future facilities team with them and the so called emergency planning team.
Reverse labours policy to keep Scotland employed in Browns constituency.
Give Plymouth back the proper royal navy contracts. Let the MOD run Devonport.
Local jobs for local people.”
by KevK, Richland, WA, USA
Friday, August 20 2010, 10:18PM
“Not sure what you're complaining about. I'm ex yardie (called yardbirds here in US) and I worked the subs in the 70's. Today I live next to (10 miles) from Hanford Nuclear Reservation. All US reactor cores are sealed inside their hulls and lined up in a huge open trench, over 40 there already. The trench is open so that Rusky satellites can count them on fly overs. Supposedly thousands of years before possibility of a leak. My only thought though is that there is much more open land this side of the pond, not sure where you'd put yours, is Ernesettle Armament Depot still open.”
by Dave, Mainstone,Plymouth
Friday, August 20 2010, 8:37PM
“I for one wont be a happy bunny if the government cutback at Devonport and then dump there crap on my doorstep.”
by Tony Staunton, Plymouth downwind from the dockyard
Friday, August 20 2010, 7:45PM
“The global nuclear dump - the final nail in the coffin of Plymouth. The international centre for sawing-up and storing nuclear waste, a toxic carcinogen that spews death for a thousand years. This is even worse than the asbestos scandal, yet those responsible have learnt less than nothing. The powers that be are still prepared to put the people of Plymouth in a death lottery, for some vague status as a military city. Grow up. Get into the twenty-first century. Have some social responsibility. The image and reputation as a nuclear waste dump will keep everyone away - no investment, no waterfront city, no future. And it will drive away those who can afford to get out. A ghetto, for low paid, contaminated, trapped workers. Because the well-off will be well out of it, taking whatever investment they offer with them. There far fewer jobs, not more. After they've slashed the public sector and unemployment has soared, they expect us to gag and creep and fawn for a few jobs in nuclear waste and incineration. We must not be conned. London doesn't care as long as the nuclear waste is well away from them. If it wasn't a risk, if it is perfectly safe, if we can all live with radioactive isotopes for the next 100 years, then why has Rosyth already refused it? If radioactive isotopes lie low and don't disturb anyone, then why is Moscow in trauma because the Russian forest fires have laced the City with radioactive fall-out from the trees and land contaminated by Chernobyl - 20 years ago. Why is it still illegal to sell lamb from North Wales - because they're eating radioactive waste that fell with the red rain in 1989. We are already being contaminated by the nuclear dockyard in the middle of a city of 250,000 people. So they're going to contaminate us a lot more. There is no safe disposal yet devised for nuclear waste, anywhere on earth. And we don't need to cut-up the subs - Russia and the US just store them - well away from any major large human population. So why will Devonport cut-up and store? Profit. Big Bucks subsidised by the tax payer, and a global market. The private dockyard owners will invite the US and Russia to send their hulks here - at a price. This is corruption of the absolute kind.
I have nowehere to run, nor have most of us. The only answer is to campaign, protest and fight with all we have to stop this catastrophe. If it were anywhere else in the world, we would already be on the streets.”
by Goatbeard, Laira
Friday, August 20 2010, 7:11PM
“I think the subs could be used as an alternative version of paintball war games. You know the type, would be Rambo blokes running around playing war. Well let them have paintball torpedoes and missiles out in the sound. "C'mon Steve drop another paintball depth charge on Brian from accounts"... "No time mate Britney is waiting for me to collect her from the sunbed centre"...”
by Sam,, Plymouth
Friday, August 20 2010, 6:55PM
“Bob,
Grow a pair i work on subs and our levels for radiation are lower than background radiation from most rocks.
Ian, finally someone who talks sense its safer to dismantle them than have them left rotting there!
BRING THEM ON!”
by Ian, Plymouth
Friday, August 20 2010, 2:28PM
“At first glance this appears to be an excellent idea. Someone has to cut these vessels up, with their typical Plymouth mentality, the moaners on here would be complaining if the work went anywhere else. The safety systems are in place in the yard to cope with any emergencies. We should also be thinking about bringing the "Ghost Fleet" of ex USN ships down from Teeside. There are so many empty dry docks in the yard now, they may as well be put to good use. Jobs for Plymothians, skilled & un-skilled, if the strategic defence review identifies that the more ships need to be scrapped, Devonport will be in pole position for the work. This city is slowly dying, there are no prospects of "new" industries re-locating to the South West, we've missed out on any green-energy prospects....bring on the subs!!!!”
by Bob, Plymouth
Friday, August 20 2010, 1:43PM
“In two years time children from Plymouth will be going to Chernobyl to get a month away from the toxic radiation”
by Dan, @work
Friday, August 20 2010, 12:37PM
“Mick, that'd be a great idea - however as the council dont seem to even want to get HMS Plymouth i doubt theres any chance of that happening.
on a similar note I did think recently it's a shame we cant transport a ship (or sub) of that size via road for a short distance, as that useless plaza area in town would make a great spot to build a dry dock for something like that. or even a replica of the mayflower.”
by Brushy, Plymouth
Friday, August 20 2010, 12:15PM
“Cut the subs up in the River Thames then store the remains in the cellars of the Houses of Parliament. Why should we have all the Rubbish and remains dumped on us.”