Readers turn up heat on incinerator boss with online Q&A

“Interesting to read this in the news today (real news from a proper news provider i.e. not the Herald) - UK IN COURT ON AIR POLLUTION LEVELS - http://tinyurl.com/bo8og7d

DEFRA are one of the major organisations behind a national policy of building incinerators (and very much behind the MoD/ SWDWP project at the Barne Barton site) demonstrating to all how much they (don't)care for the health and wellbeing of all citizens, and how trustworthy their hollow meaningless words really are.”

“Well said LHPlymouth. Interesting to see a quick comparison of Gary Streeter's Live Questions transcript from yesterday with Paul Carey's Live Questions transcript from Thursday:

*Streeter managed to reply to around 90 questions/comments, over a period of 1 hour and 58 minutes.
(I still think many were censored, ignored, and unpublished - par for the course with the Herald)

*Carey managed to reply (or rather allowed the publication of) 32 questions/comments over a period of 1 hour and 55 minutes.

Was it really the case that Paul Carey was overwhelmed and couldn't reply to more questions as he and Neil Shaw claimed?

Paul Carey a business man, an MD no less; who must have taken part in many live online business meetings, written many documents and emails; found it hard to reply to so many questions because he "...couldn't type fast enough".

REALLY!? The MD of a branch project for a multimillion pound German business without the ability to type fast enough and communicate his response? More likely think fast enough to answer probing technical questions with his attempts at positive spin!

He couldn't think of any evasive devious responses fast enough without appearing caught out and flustered by an opposition he/ MVV/ Herald/ MoD/ SWDWP /The Tories all claim, or believe to be, won over or defeated. WE WILL NEVER BE SILENCED AND WE WILL ALWAYS BE HERE OPPOSING YOU.

Paul Carey is a coward and a liar.

Neil Shaw is a fine ambassador for the values that the Herald holds dear; namely brown nosing the old boys of high business and ignoring the needs and wellbeing of ordinary Plymouth citizens.

Also agree with all the comments made here, well said everyone.”

“In one of the many promotional reports for this farce it was said Bosses, Representatives, MVV chiefs....and in the end we get one person answering the questions so if his typing skills weren't up to speed why only one person in the end?

I don't seem to have seen so many occurences of the Herald promoting the Gary Streeter live 'debate'..... how many days/times did you run articles on the MVV 'debate'?
Shameful! I expect we'll have a Pengelly debate next......why not issue a supplement in full colour?

Another of my many unanswered questions was what did they have in place for when the A38 is closed due to accidents as so recently when traffic was backed up in the residential areas. I think I asked that at least three times.....still, we can look forward to all the questions and all the answers soon....

Carey was quick enough to reply 'Simply not true' when a reader said was a done deal.....

"Printed in Energy Business Review
"Imtech secures supply contract from MVV Energie
EBR Staff Writer Published 17 May 2011
Europe-based technical services provider, Imtech, has received a EUR30m ($42.33m) contract from MVV Energie to provide a steam-turbine generator for its new energy-from-waste power plant in Plymouth, UK.
Construction at the plant will begin next year and commercial operations will commence in 2014."

.....Planning decision was December 22nd 2011

Fish around and I'm sure you will find more......

Note to editor and MVV boss(es): please do not patronise those who are blighted by this and those who probably know more than the seven who voted for this and were too lazy and greedy to be bothered to do any research of check data provided. We have genuine concerns and demand the truth not half a story to suit a company which stands to make a massive profit. This has little to do with dealing with Plymouth's waste!!”

“Agree with everyones comments......experienced the same selectiveness my self.

Many questions were emailed in advance those could have been pre-answered and posted from the start to allow Carey time to type answers to the 'live' questions.

As usual nothing but quotes of various trusts, documents etc but no real answers.... exactly as we expected. This whole issue from start to finish has been akin to saying 'yes this is a meat Lasagne' but the truth would be ' Yes it is meat, horsemeat'. Anyone who has been following this from the start and has read the planning documents and supporting documents from the EA, PCT, English Heritage and all the other non-independant bodies with their fingers in the pies of thiswill know that you could not say they are lying but for definite its not the whole truth given..there is more to the answers but unfortunatley none of the decisions makers bothered to probe further for the FACTS. Its all based on 'could' potential to' and the like. Perfect example: district heating. Anyone of you especially those in Barne Barton and those who are on the North Yard Trust who think you are going to get any benefit out of thisthink again. You have been duped. There is no guarantee even that 20% will be saved on Babcock energy bill and any energy left over could be fed into the national grid.
Read the documents and find the FACTS, the guarantees.... and then look how much of it is supposition and assumptions.

I can understand live debates (except this wasn't a 'debate') with MP's and local councillors but the Herald is out of order promoting and siding so publicly with a foreign company who will make a massive profit from us. Especially when they have NEVER responded to requests for them to come to the local residents when the most horrific noise was being experienced...but a few days later lo and behold there they were sucking up to MVV onsite.

I asked exactly what the numbers were for local staff....'a large number' is not good enough. I wonder if one of the canteen staff is someone who recently went with MVV to Germany....

pogle63a - it's the fly ash and the filters that are going to Lincolnshire. More nasty stuff on our roads and being buried in our land.

One of my many questions was where do you intend to take the IBA if Whitecleaves is unsucessful as the local communities in those areas need to be made aware too. Had he answered it would have been it's 'commercially sensitive'.
They have to bring the 'processed' bottom ash back to Plymouth to use in construction - off the top of my head I think it was about 50,000 tonnes (please check). Maybe PCC can tell us where all this construction is going to be.....in reality much of the IBA will be landfilled.

All this ash transported up and down the country and region......best environmental option????????”

“I asked six questions not one appeared or answered it was a whitewash with the same people asking questions”

“Forgone conclusion as far as I am concerned. Paul Carey spent 2 hours evading and side stepping awkward questions.
I am also aware that several awkward and or damaging questions were submitted but were not answered.

Quote;As part of the planning consent we signed an agreement with Plymouth City Council called a section 106 agreement. Under this agreement there is a requirement for us to draw up an Air Quality Monitoring Plan for the operational period.

I wonder if the monitoring will be anything along the lines of the noise monitoring regime which when local residents commissioned their own noise expert was found to be WOEFULLY INADEQUATE. This gives no reassurance.

Quote;The section 106 money paid to the North Yard Community Trust.

When will the North Yard Trust answer correspondence? Emails were sent by some residents in Oct these still await replies.
Paul Carey said to me personally that there will be 106 money avaliable for mitigation, for things like trees to plant in my garden to sceen the building, double glazing to cut noise. A local resident requested a grant for glazing and was refused. She was told the 106 money was not meant for that. Another U-TURN”

“Some points of interest from the transcript, Paul Carey contradicts himself on several occasions.

When asked "Have you worked out where the residual ash will be disposed of yet?"

Paul Carey replied "We propose to develop a bottom ash recycing facility in Whitecleave Quarry at Buckfastleigh. We submitted an application in 2011 but this was refused by Devon County Council last April. We have since launched an appeal, and expect there to be a public inquiry in May. The Air Pollution Control residues (which include fly ash) will be sent to a specialist landfill in North Lincolnshire"
So he failed to answer the question and in fact to explicitly admit (but did so by implication of his statement) that MVV do not have a solution to LANDFILL the 65,000 tonnes per year of waste ash they will produce.

He accused a commenter of "…mixing up numbers of vehicles and tonnes of carbon dioxide saved." But therefore by implication of the fact the figures used were from MVV's own literature, was actually admitting MVV, the Herald and indeed himself have mislead everyone with mixed up figures "…saving the equivalent of 28,000 cars in carbon dioxide emissions."

He would not guarantee in writing that radioactive waste from the MoD's submarine and reactor pressure vessel work would not be burnt in the incinerator.

With regard to points raised about proximity to housing, in particular the fact that residents of Talbot Gardens would be only 60 metres from the building he claimed this was not unusual or bad, stating that there were " …examples where housing is even closer." A comment was posted but unpublished challenging him to provide claimed examples as support for his statement, but typically of a coward, there was no response.
Contradiction again with regard to domestic energy and heating; Paul Carey Thursday 28th February 2013: "No, there will not be subsidised electricity for the residents of Barne Barton."

The Herald/MVV; from their promoting article dated Thursday 21st February 2013 ( http://tinyurl.com/ay69yxw ): "The plant will generate heat and energy for the community, as well as disposing of our rubbish."

Also notice that Paul Carey admits emissions from MVV's incinerator WILL contain pollutants in his comment on the chimney stack; and so by implication emissions will WILL NOT BE SAFE:
"The height of the chimney was determined using a complex computer programme approved by the Environment Agency. This uses historical weather information to predict the concentrations of the pollutants with different heights of chimney. The analysis showed that with a chimney 95 metres high the pollutants were widely dispersed to well below the levels allowed."

And yet later when again addressing emissions and air quality he claims:
"In short … It means people should not worry."

Herald/ MVV cowardice LIES and misinformation.”

“Here's one unpublished and unanswered question (sent in several times over the 2 hour session); will it be answered?

With regard to air quality assessment and monitoring of emissions from your incinerator, why has MVV's continuous self-monitoring station been installed 500 meters to the west of the Weston Mill lake site? Given the prevailing winds are South Westerly (i.e. travelling in the direction of North East over the city of Plymouth and beyond) readings from this self-monitoring station will be misleadingly low for the majority of the time of your 40 years operation.

Weston Mill Primary School is 600 metres to the east of the chimney stack and immediately adjacent to the main transport route for the 53% increase in HGV movements per day (MVV's own figures), why not put a monitoring station near the school?

This would provide genuine reassurance to the community and back up MVV's regular claim that emissions from the incinerator will be safe. Having said that, an increase of 53% DIESEL HGV traffic right next to an open air primary school playground might negate any reassurance for parents of children playing there when considering the World Health Organisation recently reclassified diesel emissions as being definitely carcinogenic.

I, along with many others, would strongly question validity of MVV's self-monitoring of emissions given the appalling, and likely deliberate, choice of location for their monitoring station."

The cowards didn't even acknowledge receipt.”

“".........several people living close to the site have obtained work as a result of this project. For example the site canteen has two local employees"

A sarcastic comment from a Herald reader? No,said in all seriousness by Peter Carey.”

“The Herald writes:

"Paul Carey...spent two hours fielding live questions on the energy-from-waste plant"

No he didn't, he spent 2 hours evading probing and awkward questions that were sent in but never published all thanks to the ever accommodating brown nosing and complicit Herald staff in this case Neil Shaw (a job well done no doubt! Give yourself a pat on the back you vile corporate bottom feeding swine).

Those questions they chose to publish and respond to (i.e. the ones they felt they could in real time) weren't really answered, more they were dismissed (in their arrogant opinion) with vague misleading repLIES.

The session did demonstrate the misinformation Herald and MVV have been guilty of for several years now, as well as their combined cowardice, contempt for local citizens and concerns; all evident by the fact that several questions and comments were not published. I know for a fact that several of these unpublished questions were technical, potentially awkward and or damaging to Paul 'THE COWARD AND LIAR' Carey and MVV; but the Herald chose not to published them – despite being submitted several days prior (so Paul Carey had plenty of time to prepare one of his evasive vague responses). Even on the day from the 20th minute right up to the end of session I had attempted to post, maybe 50 or more times, the same question on emissions and self-monitoring; not published! And yet when I posted one comment regarding proximity to housing 1 hour and 50 minutes into the session, it was published – proof the Herald and Paul Carey were picking and choosing which questions to respond to and which to ignore with the aim self promotion and positive spin.

This 2 hour session was billed as "...your chance to question the boss of Plymouth's incinerator..." and the he would be "...grilled online..." in a live open public debate; what it was in reality was Neil Shaw buttering and oiling up his corporate b_u_m chum Paul Carey. A display of smug corporate PR, a closed and heavily censored display of lies and cowardice.

The Herald - losing dignity and respect with every passing minute.”