Residents blast 'cheap and nasty' incineration

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Tuesday, February 09, 2010
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SCORES of people went to a public exhibition on proposals for an incinerator in Ernesettle last night – with many of them voicing their concerns.

MVV Umwelt, the company behind the proposal, staged the exhibition in the Parkway Sports and Social Club, Ernesettle, with key figures from the firm answering questions from the public.

MVV Umwelt is proposing to build an Energy from Waste plant on land in Ernersettle – or an alternative plan on land at Devonport's North Yard – if it wins its bid to the South West Devon Waste Partnership, which is commissioning an EfW to handle domestic rubbish for Plymouth, Torbay and South Devon. The firm is in competition with Viridor, which is proposing to build a £100million EfW at New England Quarry, near Lee Mill.

Representatives from MVV spoke about both of their proposed sites last night – but most of the people who went along were worried about the possible impacts the Ernesettle one would bring.

Ernesettle resident Pauline Freeman said she was concerned about the visual impact of the plant, as well as health and traffic issues which could be caused. She said: "Devonport is a better site because it is a different area altogether."

Sharon Lambert, from Saltash, said: "Saltash is going to be just as affected. Whatever comes out of the chimney will blow across our way as well. Incineration is a cheap, nasty option."

The STIFLE pressure group has more than 120 members and is in opposition to the Ernesettle plant proposals. STIFLE committee member Neil Mawdsley said: "The more we have unearthed, the more we realise the best solution is recycling – but the council doesn't seem to be interested in that."

Cllr Peter Smith, speaking as ward councillor, added: "We keep our opposition to the site in Ernesettle."

Paul Carey, managing director of MVV Environment, said: "The exhibition was the start of a longer term process with the local community.

"People will always have concerns about a facility of this size."

Mr Carey said there were "advantages" and "disadvantages" with both of MVV's proposed sites. He said an advantage at North Yard would be supplying the dockyard with "cost effective energy".

He said: "We are being as honest as we should be and open about what we are proposing. We are trying to be clear to people with the positives and negatives."

Anyone who wants to add their voice to MVV's proposals should visit the www.mvvuk.co.uk website. Another exhibition is expected to take place tonight at Weston Mill Community Primary School, between 5pm and 8.30pm.

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    by Clever person, plymouth

    Monday, March 01 2010, 10:01AM

    “Having read the comments left by all of you there basically seems to be a lack of education in all of the comments.
    Plymouth recycling scheme works very well although i would welcome a glass collection service and a food waste service. These two alone would take the weight out of the waste.
    Many of you seem to be under the impression that recycling is going to reduce the waste considerably and we can get 100% efficiency. This is not the case. A 65% efficiency is at best as good as it is going to get. Therefore what to do with the rest of the waste that is being produced. I need not remind you that at present ALL of the Plymouths' waste is being taken to Lean Quarry in Cornwall. The European Landfill Directive states that by 2012/13 no more then 8 million tonnes of waste can be landfilled. This may seem like a lot but this is for the whole of England. If these limits are exceeded then the UK will be fined up to £500,000 a day. Now forgive me for being cynical but who do you think will be footing the bill? The government has already said that Local Authorities have a certain limit with which to adhere to. Exceeding these local limits will mean fines and who will be paying these fines?
    The answer to both these questions, and i'm sure you have already worked this out, is the good old tax payer... thats you and me !!
    Now what would you like to do with the waste produced? Landfill is not the option, so what is left?
    I do agree that the Ernesettle site doesn't seem to be the best option due to its locality in the Tamar valley, the same goes for the Devonport Site due to the nuclear element already present on the site. For the person that mentioned the old cement works next to Chelston meadows... please think... if an incinerator is placed next to an old landfill site which emits methane what would happen if there was a leak? Also that site has already been marked for over 1000 houses. The only site in my eyes which really has a chance is the site near Ivybridge is by far the best option. I know that there will be more traffic on the road but you seem happy for your waste to be transported by road into cornwall so what is the difference. I have seen the websites and the protests about the 'dioxin death' which is laughable considering more dioxin is released from a firwork display in one night then is released throughout an entire year from an incinerator. Old incinerators were problematic back in the early 1990's. Technology has greatly improved since then if you haven't already noticed. Incinerator emissions are regularly checked and have to conform to strict limits. If this was not the case then most of Europe wouldn't have them already.
    I believe incineration is the only way forward for the time being until we as a society can stop being so wasteful.”

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    by Camelshead resident, Camelshead

    Saturday, February 13 2010, 7:43PM

    “We already have a Sewage farm that stinks like high Heaven (methane). We also have a Tip (be it Small). We also have a neclear facility c/w 6 or 7 neclear redundant subs on our doorstep. What else now a incinerator sounds to me like a cocktail for disaster. Why don't the director in charge of the company invovled put it on his doorstep!”

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    by Concerned, Ernesettle

    Tuesday, February 09 2010, 10:40PM

    “I totally agree that nobody wants this incineration solution! Co2 emissions increase. The bottom ash still has to go to landfill or somewhere. Traffic across the Parkway will be at a standstill in the Summer whichever site in Plymouth would be picked. Council tax will be an absolute fortune when residents start sueing for health issues 30 years down the time line. This is a very short sighted South West Cheap Solution! We will have to feed an incinerator for a great many years, so yes Plymouth be dirty, be lazy, don't bother with trying to recycle, just take a big deep breath 10 years down the road and let the children being born today pick up the tab.
    Why should any of the councillors or the decision makers worry! Lets be selfish and put landfill into the sky! It may end up as black as the bags that we now use for our rubbish today!
    Who is going to police people so they do not put things like batteries or our new energy saving light bulbs into black bags ready to BURN!
    Yes just take a deep breath whilst you can. Eat your locally grown produce too whilst you can!
    What price is your voice?
    What price is your Democracy?
    Long term damage may not be a problem at all for any Ernesettle resident, as if Lord forbid any accident should happen, with the building situated over the armaments depot we would be the first to go with no knowledge of any peripheral injuries. The gent from MVV Umwelt told me last evening that any building would have to be blast proof! They are joking, having a laugh aren't they?
    That picture shown in their exhibition, looked like someone had drunk the wrong potion down the rabbit hole 'Alice'! Way way out of scale! Come on!
    Who is kidding who!
    Speak up Brown!”

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    by LH, St Budeaux

    Tuesday, February 09 2010, 8:06PM

    “Its all very well for 'Ernesettle resident Pauline Freeman' to say "Devonport is a better site because it is a different area altogether." Well she would because she doesnt live there. In fact the site isn't Devonport its actually between St Budeaux/Weston Mill and Barne Barton. I would like to know WHEN this site was put into the melting pot (sorry def no pun intended). I only found out by chance today and had no prior knowledge of any 'exhibition' therefore Ernesettle has a larger voice at the moment but this does not mean those in the vicinity of the other site are ok with it . Its not just a case of the visual impact of the incinerator but the vehicles and access - its bad enough when the Lidl lorries arrive banging and clanking doors etc - and if there is 'smoke' how much? Will it smell? If so will be lovely mixed with the cabbage smell from Camels Head. Where I live the houses look down onto the proposed site so I assume we will be at eye level to the top of the chimney. There will be no way of hiding it behind trees as we all live above it. I regret ever moving to this area but will stand even less chance of selling if this goes ahead-what is the impact going to be on private house prices? I am so angry that the local residents have had no information about this latest site proposal. Who owns the land - is it the MOD? Are they selling land to put a bit of money in their pot with of course the promise of supplying the dockyard with cost effective energy - yeh right!Of course no one wants it in their back yard - why can't Ernesettle residents and those in this area (now we know) all get together rather than just trying to push it to the other area as long as its not their area? Also what happened to the site at Efford? If Chelston Meadow was chosen then Plymstock and area would protest. There must be disused sites outside of residential areas where the incinerator could be sited and everyone would be happy. Come on local councillors-come and knock on our doors and do something for the local people who are not happy - general election soon!”

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    by Stuart Billinghurst, plymouth

    Tuesday, February 09 2010, 8:06PM

    “This is not a clean solution, "the fly ash that is produced is highly toxic, it has to be sealed into containers and buried very deep in landfill" this was a quote from one of the representatives that are proposing the plant, This is also the first time a plant has been nestled between a housing populous in this way. It's a cheep money making solution, there are better solutions if not locations!”

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    by janet, crownhill

    Tuesday, February 09 2010, 6:50PM

    “the cost of doing nothing would be huge given the fines per ton of rubbish sent to landfill. This would add to council tax bills - the plain truth is that we are not good enough at recycling but we all still go on producing rubbish - its got to somewhere”

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    by Arthur bird, Northumberland Street Weston Mill'

    Tuesday, February 09 2010, 3:15PM

    “If anyone thinks because of energy advantages to the Dockyard that the Weston Mill area is going to be an easy alternative- forget it. For years now residents in the area have had to put up with the pong from the Sewage Disposal Plant at Camels Head and sometimes the creek. This must be really healthy for young children at the nearby school. Any Education authority or Head of a school in such close proximity would have insisted that the Health and Safety Authority - close the school down until the problem contained. Local Councillors have made threats and noises about taking action against the Water Authority all to no avail. Where does anyone think the fumes or smoke will go, if not at ground level or up and into the higher level houses encompassing Weston Mill.
    What about the proposals for a new Food Store. opposite the yard. You are joking to think anyone wants an incinerator next door. Let Weston Mill give a resounding- No! No! No! to the dumping of this unwanted health hazard in our already neglected and contaminated back yard.”

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    by Stuart Billinghurst, Pymouth

    Tuesday, February 09 2010, 1:46PM

    “This is not the right solution, this is not the right location, this is not the right way to spend our money!

    Facebook group : Stop EfW (Energy From Waste) in plymouth”

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    by Brushy, Plymouth Devon

    Tuesday, February 09 2010, 12:14PM

    “The ideal place for an incinerator was right next to Chelston Meadow on the former Cement Works site.but unfortunately that was too sensible a solution to the waste problem that was known to be looming for the political administration of that time.”

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    by Dave Joslin, St Austell

    Tuesday, February 09 2010, 12:10PM

    “NIMBYs the lot of you. As the only alternative to an incinerator which will produce energy from the waste is a landfill site as these serve no purpose, other than storing waste and attracting rats etc, and are eyesores. I know which I would want near me and it's not a landfill site.”

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