Super-yacht plan 'would damage Yard's heritage'
CITY planners are being urged to reject a proposal by Princess Yachts to build a super-yacht production hangar at South Yard in Devonport.
The £45million development would tower over the historic Dockyard buildings and irrevocably damage Devonport's heritage, say English Heritage and the Naval Dockyards Society.
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DESIGNS: An artist's impression of the proposed Princess Yachts production base in South Yard
Princess Yachts has submitted a planning application for what could be the biggest building in Plymouth's history.
The five-storey, 300,000sq ft production hanger would be used to build a new fleet of 50-metre super-yachts. Work on the £15million first phase could start this year if the plans are approved.
English Heritage, recommending the city planning committee refuse permission, said the scale was out of character with South Yard, and the Naval Dockyards Society said that 30 historic buildings around the Princess Yachts site would be damaged irrevocably.
These included the South Smithery and South Sawmills, the site of the West Ropery, a scheduled ancient monument, and the Scrieve Board.
In a letter to the council Dr Michael Turner, English Heritage's Inspector of Ancient Monuments and Historic Buildings, said: "The combined effect of all three phases impacts negatively on surrounding heritage, poses threats to the archaeological record and would entail the demolition of the significant early 20th-century extension of No 3 Slip."
The two listed buildings most affected would be the Grade I East Ropery/Spinning House and the Grade II* Gazebo.
The now-vacant 247metre-long East Ropery has dominated the eastern perimeter of South Yard since it was built in the 1760s.
All views west across the yard would be obscured by the proposed building, 250m long and 25m high, English Heritage said. The Gazebo, built in 1822 as a viewing platform to commemorate George Ill's visit, would no longer command any view to the north.
Dr Turner criticised the design by Plymouth architects ADG as bland, and said the choice of colours would do little to mitigate the building's huge scale.
Princess Yachts boss Chris Gates said: "We have been working with English Heritage to try to balance the challenge of having historic buildings around us.
"This yard was built as a place for building ships, and we are trying to build ships in a modern way there. Hopefully we can both compromise and bring the yard back to life."
He rejected criticism of the design as being bland.
Devonport councillor Nicky Wildy said: "I hope something can be worked out because this is too good an opportunity in these tough economic times. English Heritage should bear in mind that it has a responsibility to the living as well as to the dead."








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by J Nolan, Near the Yarrrrrd.
Wednesday, July 14 2010, 7:01PM
“There isn't very may buildings in South Yard that are worth preserving. SY isn't another Royal William Yard to those who have never had the opportunity to visit the area. YES work sensibly with English Heritage to save and preserve the important stuff but move on and help PYI not hinder them. They are one of a very few number of private sector employers in the city. We should be doing everything to help them. Not only would this be a benefit to them it would be ideal for other small business to start up and expand whilst opening up a once hidden area of the city back to its population.
Maybe PCC would be happier if PYI relocated to another part of the country ?”
by Rear Admiral Michael Wood CBE JP, Chairman Plym'th Naval Base Visitor Centre Company
Wednesday, July 14 2010, 6:15PM
“It is not a surprise, but nevertheless hugely disappointing, that Princess Yacht's plans to utilise the Ropery and other listed buildings in South Yard have been thwarted by English Heritage. The trick now will be to find a compromise solution which satisfies both Princess Yacht's future business needs and English Heritage's overly stringent preservation requirements. Failure to achieve this will not only result in the loss of job and business opportunities for the City, but will also see some fine and unique historic buildings continue to languish unused and costing the MOD, thus we the taxpayers, considerable financial resource in order to maintain these buildings.
Those readers with a serious interest in promoting Plymouth's rich, but unexploited, maritime heritage and its 300 year relationship with the Royal Navy will know that I continue my endeavours to persuade the MOD, PCC and other stakeholders to establish a Plymouth Maritime Visitor Attraction. Something which offers Plymouth's residents and visitors a range of attractions and interests from naval and wider maritime heritage; to visits to warships, the Naval base and a nuclear submarine; to meeting today's sailors; boat trips; hands on modern technology for the kids and much,much more besides.
Whilst the current economic climate could hardly be worse for delivering such aspirations and presents a daunting challenge for this Project, an incremental approach to its development is feasible. But only feasible and deliverable given the will, energy and vision of all the stakeholders. Job opportunities, not only generated by Princess Yachts, and an all embracing Maritme Visitor Attraction which underpins Plymouth's hitherto lack lustre Tourism Strategy must be essential goals for this City at a time of few other realistic business, job creating opportunities.
One obvious step in the process would be for PCC, the MOD, the RDA, English Heritage, Princess Yachts and other stakeholders to sit around the same table and arrive at a viable option for the future use of the buildings in question. A solution which meets Princess Yacht's requirements and also provides a permanent home, as an adjunct to the City's Museum, for the valuable collection of naval artefacts and items which, under current plans, could be lost to Plymouth, or remain in storage and never see the light of day.
Whether you are an out and out heritage anorack or a hard nosed businessman, there is a solution here for the taking which has the potential to satisfy all.”
by Dave, Devonport
Wednesday, July 14 2010, 3:29PM
“Wake up PCC,Plymouth is dying on it's feet and needs to look to the future as well as to the past.The city badly needs more manufacturing jobs and more private sector jobs....more jobs full stop.No point protecting our heritage if we don't have a future.Princess Yachts can and will move if they can't expand here and there must be ways of protecting the heritage sites with a bit of thought,not that the general public have any kind of regular access to them anyway.”
by michael, plymouth
Wednesday, July 14 2010, 2:30PM
“lets see now ! the east ropery oh ye the spinning house & the south saw mills and do not forget the grade 2 listed gazebo with the lovely view northwards that no one has ever seen other than george the 3rd we should dig him up to ask what it is like.
Mr turner get your head out of the sand it is jobs we want not some run down buildings that no one will ever see.
And as for plymouth council do you want princess yachts to move to Portsmouth or southampton because thats what will happen they will wellcome them with open arms.
( IT IS JOBS WE WANT NOT OLD BUILDINGS PCC )”
by Mikey, Plymouth
Tuesday, July 13 2010, 11:03PM
“Plymouth has to move forward, and also i agree with Ricky (comment below)! The civic centre is barely standing and its been allowed to stay, The NAAFI building on Notte Street has already been partly demolished and is now being held back. Many of these buildings are unaffordable to keep and not structurally safe. Every building becomes a heritage, and this building would earn its own heritage as it could be the "biggest building in Plymouths history!" I would urge the city council to accept!”
by Ricky, Plymouth
Tuesday, July 13 2010, 10:19PM
“Surely what Plymouth needs at the moment is jobs? This is exactly what Princess Yachts are offering with this development.”
by Alan, Plymouth
Tuesday, July 13 2010, 10:14PM
“Sid Anning, Crownhill.IF you and the rest of the "preservationists" we are constantly constrained by could take off your rear facing blinkers for just a few moments, you may realise that you have the chance to be part of history in the making. Wouldn't that be more constructive and satisfying than trying to preserve EVERY ramshackle eyesore that has outlived its purpose? (And that most Plymothians are unaware of or indeed have absolutely no access to.)
This project must get the green light to ensure some sort of history for our grandchildren.
Plymouth is dying on its feet and Princess Yachts INTERNATIONAL is trying to pump some life into this once thriving dockyard city. Get real, people. If this bid fails large companies will take heed and will be more likely to base their operations abroad (eastern Europe etc).
Last person out of Plymouth, please extinguish the lantern.
Phoenix. (Ex Princess employee.)”
by Concerned, Plymouth
Tuesday, July 13 2010, 9:27PM
“Plymouth City Council has a nerve, here's a company will to bring work into the city and they want to turn them down because of buildings and yet Plymouth University wants to demolish the Nafi and put up some monstrosity of an accommodation totally ruining Plymouth Hoe, I am beginning to wonder who has fingers in what, as Plymouth University practically runs Plymouth City Council from where I am looking, how was it they got Planning consent so easily, quite frankly something is not quite right with in the Plymouth City Planning Department”
by Manadonman2010, Manadon
Tuesday, July 13 2010, 8:53PM
“If they can squeeze a transit Gypsy site somewhere between the new sheds then it's a goer....maybe the council will help fund it!!”
by 42, cornwall
Tuesday, July 13 2010, 8:13PM
“What did happen to the proposed building at Millbay docks for Princess Yachts?”