Visitor numbers take a plunge at Tinside

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VISITOR numbers at Plymouth's Tinside Lido are on course to

hit a record low this summer – but the city's leader has said

the pool is 'here to stay'.

The washout summer has meant visitor numbers so far have

been much lower than in previous years, with just 5,081 people

taking a dip between the pool opening on May 24 and the end of

July.

The pool still has just over two weeks to go until it closes

for the year on September 7.

But even with a dramatic turnaround in the weather, visitor

numbers could fall well short of last year's disappointing

visitor total of 13,559, making it the worst visitor total

since the £3.4 million Art Deco pool opened in 2003.

The city's Labour group says the pool is a 'huge drain on

resources', but city council leader Vivien Pengelly defended

the lido, saying it was something people should 'treasure'.

Visitor numbers reached more than 24,000 in 2006 and 30,000

in 2005. Original estimates when the lido first opened in 2003

were for 30,000 swimmers per year.

And the fall in visitor numbers means the amount the

taxpayer puts into the pool – the subsidy – may rise sharply

this year.

The council estimates the pool's net running costs – the

amount the council has to find after ticket income – will be

£136,370 this year.

If current visitor numbers continue at the rate so far this

summer, estimated ticket income from around 7,600 visitors will

be about £21,000 when it closes.

That would take the cost of a dip at Tinside to £20.78 –

with £17.94 being footed by the taxpayer. The final figure,

however, will not be known until after the pool closes for the

season.

Last year's poor summer meant the council ran up costs of

£173,666, leading to a subsidy of about £12.80 per swim. The

subsidy in 2003 was about £8, with runnning costs an estimated

£250,000.

The subsidy does not include captial costs, such as the

£550,000 disabled lift which is due to be installed this

winter.

Mrs Pengelly told The Herald the lido was worth the money

spent on it.

She said: "Even though we have had a bad summer and people

have not been able to use it, it is still a fantastic asset for

Plymouth.

"It's something we should treasure because not many cities

have an asset like it.

"It's a beautiful example of Art Deco. It's really worth

keeping it as it is, even though it costs something to keep up.

If you have got an asset then you have to maintain it. It's

well worth spending money to maintain it.

"It's here to stay, as long as I am leader."

But Cllr Peter Smith, shadow Cabinet member for Healthy

Communities and Leisure, called Tinside 'a huge drain on

council resources'.

He said Labour had always known a large subsidy would be

needed to keep the revamped pool open, once the Tories had

decided to renovate it.

Therefore, he said the lido poses a tricky problem for

whoever is in power.

While Cllr Smith doesn't think the pool is financially

sustainable he also concedes it is a tourist attraction and

important for the foreshore.

"I know there would be a public outcry if the council

decided to close it – but it's one hell of a subsidy, a lot of

money," he said.

"If we were in control we would have to look at it sensibly

to see what could be done.

A spokesperson for Plymouth City Council said: "If there

were a sudden change in the weather, even if just for a few

days, these figures could change significantly. A warm bank

holiday weekend could bring in hundreds of swimmers and

thousands of pounds."

She said that running costs for this year may turn out to be

lower than the estimate, and that running costs can vary

considerably year on year depending on work that needs to be

carried out.

"It's not rocket science to figure out that the weather will

affect the trading position of the pool," Ian Bowyer, Cabinet

Member for Budget and Asset Management, said.

Tinside's visitor figures could only be judged at the end of

the season, he said.

"Obviously the weather has had an impact, but what the

extent of that is we simply do not know.

"We are monitoring it but we are pretty powerless to do

anything about the weather."

He stressed that staffing levels, such as the use of

lifeguards, were adjusted according to demand, in a bid to keep

costs as low as possible.

"Staff levels are flexible to meet demand. We manage

resources."

Mr Bowyer said he would look at making the pool operation

more flexible so that the season can be extended if the weather

permits.

"We would like to be more flexible but it takes time to turn

a big organisation like Plymouth City Council around – a bit

like a supertanker."

Cabinet member Peter Brookshaw said that climate change

meant the council had to look again at the season.

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    by Sam, Essex

    Wednesday, July 15 2009, 5:16PM

    “I am moving to Plymouth from Essex next week. The lido certainly makes a great impression on tourists, we thought it was fabulous and I can't wait to use it next week. Can't really comment on how th council spend council tax but as we are looking at a bill of £1500 or so for the year £12 seems very reasonable.”

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    by Ella, Plymouth

    Tuesday, March 17 2009, 9:30PM

    “Plymouth received a HUGE amount of publicity when Tinside reopened - and it continues to be much mentioned on the web etc. Those who would like to close it should consider how much more it would cost to 'advertise' the city without it. Surely tourism revenue is very important for us and buildings being used, rather than left to decay are much more likely to bring tourists back - even if they won't get their cossies on and take a dip!”

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    by Mik, Plymouth

    Thursday, October 23 2008, 10:59AM

    “I refused to sign the petition to bring back Tinside and got a mouthful of abuse for refusing to do so. It is a prime example of what happens when people respond to petitions; if a council is going to spend taxpayers' money then they should poll the taxpayers first and if this is in response to a petition then the petitioners should pay for the poll.

    How much would it cost to put a solar panel roof over it or can we flush out the sea water and fill it with fresh water in the winter and then freeze it - outdoor skating rink and one a lot larger than the one the Tory council spent our money on at The Pavilions.”

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    by Sharon J, PLYMOUTH

    Friday, August 29 2008, 9:56AM

    “I learned to swim at Tinside during what is now the 'out' season, sept-nov, and feb-april. Granted it was over 35 years ago, but the weather was far colder then during those months. Have we all become less hardy as the main temperatures have risen? It doesn't matter if it's raining..you get wet when swimming! I have never understood the sheer madness of shutting something that could be put to so much better use, especially as we've lost Seaton and Ballards for schools to use. So long as the changing rooms are kept reasonably warm for afterwards, what is the problem?. I personally would love to swim later (or earlier) in the year, but most of the time you can't get into Central Park...which is the only pool I know of now. I work outside, and have been sweltering in a short sleeved top and shorts, in December before now...and the ridiculous Plymouth City Council thinks everything shuts on Sept7? And it doesn't seem to matter which political persuasion the council is, they're all as narrow minded as each other.”

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    by John, Plymouth

    Tuesday, August 26 2008, 2:18PM

    “There you have it again - the old in our society getting their own way - because they used to use it when they were kids. A lot of people used to ride in hore and carriages but there is no campaign to get them back on the roads in force.Times have changed a lot, and we must move with them. If the elderly want to keep tinside then let them pay for it, they are better off now they don't have to pay for buses and get discounts in almost every shop. Let the younger ones pay taxes for something they want. I thought years ago that tinside would be a waste of money and I was right. Let it go and spend money on something more useful.”

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