Views sought on N-sub plans

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Thursday, January 26, 2012
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PEOPLE with views on cutting up nuclear submarines in Plymouth are being urged to make sure they're heard.

Campaigners against the Ministry of Defence (MoD) proposals to dismantle submarines in Devonport Naval Base met last night to discuss the wide-ranging consultation document in public circulation.

As well as encouraging debate on the document's contents, the campaigners also urged people to write or email the MoD with their views or concerns.

Consultation closes on Friday February 17.

"The main intention of this meeting is to boost the return of these consultation forms," said campaigner Colin Trier, who helped to organise last night's meeting in the city centre.

"It is so very important. The consultation is looking at where this dismantling should happen, how it should happen and where the end product should be stored.

"The MoD will tend to disregard what we say if we do not speak loudly enough.

"We do have concerns about things and it is important that we have a voice. This is going to happen."

About 30 people attended last night's meeting which saw a number of speakers including veteran city campaigner, Ian Avent, and Nuclear Submarine Forum member Di MacDonald.

Mrs MacDonald said the MoD should be "fair" to Plymouth if the city is chosen as the base for the Submarine Dismantling Project.

"If submarines are going to be dismantled here then the radiological gain should be to take out the submarine de-fuelling facility from Plymouth," Mrs MacDonald said.

"It is ultimately the de-fuelling aspect which puts Plymouth at risk."

The consultation aims to find a permanent home for The Submarine Dismantling Project (SDP) – either in Plymouth, or Rosyth in Scotland.

The MoD document states that dismantling in Plymouth is a "more reasonable proposition" than carrying out the work in Plymouth and Rosyth.

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  • Profile image for Mark2Plym

    by Mark2Plym

    Friday, January 27 2012, 12:27AM

    “I will comment just once as it is quite hard to get though to the Plymouth council, the Navy has no other site in the country suitable to scrap submarines, Devonport has at least 5 submarines in 5 basin still fueled but laid up. Rosyth has submarines sinking on their berths as the ballast tanks are leaking they don't have the facilities to scrap them. If the Navy want to use Devonport make them pay, firstly by removing the incinerator which is on their land, then provide the local community with money!!!!! Ps the jobs provided by scrapping submarines is about 50 max so don't think it will be a great boost to plymouth information suppied by ex-employee of Babcock DDLP team.”

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    by griffintag01

    Thursday, January 26 2012, 11:34PM

    “There is a problem...jobs are much in demand in Plymouth...and this could supply much needed work...there is another point...Scotland wants devolution...well I say give it to them...because part of devolution is that they do not want a nuclear submarine base...so close it their bases now...do not transfer subs from Plymouth...it will be good for industry...and jobs...and that is what Plymouth needs...TAG”

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    by 02_Lover

    Thursday, January 26 2012, 8:14PM

    “@LHPlymouth

    Good luck trying to work out who is really passionate about this city. The more I read the more disillusioned I get and I would'nt have a clue who to vote for in May. I feel sure there are a lot of people who are in the same situation. Its like half the city has been abandoned in the pursuit of commercial and individual gain.”

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    by LHPlymouth

    Thursday, January 26 2012, 7:37PM

    “Streeter only supports the incinerator if its in Plymouth....if its in Ivybridge he dooesn't support it - then its not safe and detrimental to the people of Ivybridge but its doesn't matter about the people of Plymouth and those living within metres of the thing...and after all according to him this building is going to blend in with the background....in reality it will BE the background..and foreground.

    Too much all contained in this one area and who is standing up for us?

    Backhanders!!”

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    by 02_Lover

    Thursday, January 26 2012, 6:30PM

    “The announcement of Submarine Dismantling Project prompted vigorous opposition to the plan from council leader Vivien Pengelly and Conservative MP Gary Streeter, as reported in The Herald yesterday.

    Source

    http://tinyurl.com/87r2ra3

    Are our councillors and MP's consistent or what? I thought Streeter supported the incinerator.

    Interesting that Labour were in favour of the sub work.”

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    by LHPlymouth

    Thursday, January 26 2012, 6:00PM

    “Why bother with these consultations etc - No one has listened to us regarding the incinerator - for all the so called public consultations, liaison groups, letters of objections, petitions and so on they just completely ignored us and will do it again with this topic.

    Its all just lip service - they don't care about this part of Plymouth. That is blatantly obvious.

    Is it a case of 'oh well they are all deprived and will all die early anyway and none of us who make the decisions live anywhere near that area!' I'm alright Jack!

    Well we are not all deprived so stop labelling us an start improving this area. Stop dumping on us and listen to us. Stop the incinerator and stop adding to this with all the rest thats planned.

    Toxic triangle - no regard for residents!”

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    by john23r

    Thursday, January 26 2012, 5:23PM

    “Life expectancy around the dockyard is 17yrs less than in other parts of the City. We need no more pollutants and risk thank you very much. No incinerator, no nuclear carve ups.”

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    by 02_Lover

    Thursday, January 26 2012, 3:47PM

    “I said 9 subs I was wrong.

    The MoD is undertaking the Submarine Dismantling Project to develop the solution for disposing of 27 of the UK's nuclear submarines after they have left the Royal Navy's service.

    The project, to extend over a 60-year period, encompasses the provision of facilities to dismantle the 27 defuelled submarines and store the resulting intermediate-level radioactive waste until a least 2040. At this point it is intended it will be transferred to the UK's planned geological disposal facility.”

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    by blond13

    Thursday, January 26 2012, 11:15AM

    “Lots of people quick to complain about this, when they don't even know what nuclear fission is. Nuclear doesnt have to = bad!”

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    by 02_Lover

    Thursday, January 26 2012, 10:44AM

    “@kwacker10R

    Jane Hunt and Bill Thompson, of Lancaster University's Centre for the Study of Environmental Change, ran two consultations for Isolus in 2001 and in 2003.

    But, according to Hunt, the MoD did not understand the need for close public scrutiny of radioactive waste management. She also claimed officials dismissed worries about the health effects of low-level radiation from dismantling reactors.

    So I take it this woman was clueless?”

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