Women look set to serve on submarines

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DEFENCE chiefs are likely to announce plans to allow women to serve on Plymouth-based submarines within weeks.

A Ministry of Defence (MoD) review has now been completed, and the final decision rests with Government ministers and Chiefs of Staff.

A national newspaper yesterday (Tuesday) claimed women could be given the 'all-clear' to serve on board nuclear submarines, but no details were given by the MoD.

However in an interview with The Herald a senior Ministry of Defence source has given the clearest indication yet that the ban will be lifted.

"We are moving that way [towards allowing women to serve on submarines]," the source said. "The United States has already gone that way. The scientific reason why women should not go to sea on submarines is about to change.

"The submarine atmosphere is not deemed to be as dangerous as thought to women carrying an unborn child.

"From a Royal Navy point of view we have women serving at sea and it has become part of the culture.

"We expect to do the same sort of thing with submarines. We will just have to manage any problems.

"We have been having women at sea for 20 years and it works very well. Mixed crews work well."

A review into the health implications of women serving on board nuclear submarines is likely to support the move.

Dropping manning figures for the service, known as the 'silent service', could also point to the historic decision.

Women have never served on submarines, except for trials.

If women are allowed to serve on submarines, they would be likely to serve on all or some of Plymouth's seven Trafalgar class boats.

The MoD source said welcoming women into the submarine service would help manning figures.

Women have been banned from serving in submarines because of the potential risk to an unborn foetus from contaminants in the submarine's atmosphere.

The MoD has always said the restriction has been purely medical, and does not relate to combat effectiveness.

If backed, the proposals would mean men and women living and working side-by-side on board the vessels which go for months without surfacing.

In November 2008 the MoD admitted there was a shortage of submariners and recruiting female crew members was a possible solution.

The current figure, recorded last month, is 4,310 submariners serving as part of the Royal Navy.

"It is the most difficult area of manning we have," the source said of the submarine fleet.

According to official MoD figures (up to December 31, 2009) women make up 9.5 per cent of the entire 'Naval Service'.

This is compared to 17.4 per cent in the RAF and 6.8 per cent in the Army.

Since January 1, 2009, the proportion of females in the UK Regular Forces has risen from 12.0 per cent to 12.2 per cent for officers and from 8.9 per cent to 9.0 per cent for other ranks.

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    by dolly, plymouth

    Friday, March 12 2010, 4:03AM

    “if the mod want it to be a fairer service and equal rights then look at somthing that they can change over night, like the annual fitness test, how comes a 20 year old female gets longer to do her 1.5mile run then a 35year old bloke, i cant see the equality in that”

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    by Mick, Barbican

    Friday, March 12 2010, 12:36AM

    “The Mills and Boon authors will have a field day with love stories set on subs-"he flooded her with his love","he exploded deep inside her like a depth charge","he screamed in pain and ecstasy as he exceeded crush depth"..”

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    by T, West Hoe

    Thursday, March 11 2010, 7:03PM

    “Oh hilarious!

    I just don't read the herald enough anymore!!

    And all along I thought there were serious, technical, yes, serious reasons why women didn't work on the subs. So that was a big fib then?


    ha ha”

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    by JJ, Plymouth

    Thursday, March 11 2010, 6:49PM

    “Pregnant in one tour !”

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    by Idiots in suits., plymouth

    Thursday, March 11 2010, 6:19PM

    “Female serving member..you are the stupid one...you would need surgical help to remove the mobile phone from your hand or ear ! as with any female.”

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    by deeps, plympton

    Thursday, March 11 2010, 3:54PM

    “According to MOD sources, the submarine service is just about adequately manned now. Ask any Full Time Reservist Submariner that just received his cards! I'm one of them!!”

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    by Al, Torpoint

    Thursday, March 11 2010, 2:18PM

    “I served in A & T class boats in the 50's. Mr.Tidy is right to say submariners used to stink. Every time the boat dived with a bow down angle all the diesel oil in the bilges rushed for'ard and spilled over into the seamen's mess where it soaked into the wooden foot lockers and its contents. As we were strictly rationed for fresh water while on patrol we DID stink. for putting up with the life we were paid an extra 12 and a half p. a day. Since the powers didn't wish to admit the reasons for the extras they called it responsibility money.
    Would Mr. Tidy enjoy the life?”

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    by FEMALE SERVING MEMBER, NOT ON A SUB

    Thursday, March 11 2010, 1:59PM

    “Have any of your stupid people on here ever stopped to think that WE DONT WANT TO SERVE ON SUBMARINES!!!!!”

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    by navyjon, liverpool

    Thursday, March 11 2010, 11:34AM

    “yes,the navy gone mad..the problems it could cause and arguments,,let it be as it always has been,,all male crews..it has worked well for the past 100 years,,why fix it when it isnt broke”

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    by Barnacle Bill, Plymouth

    Thursday, March 11 2010, 11:09AM

    “The lunatics have taken over the asylum,it puts a whole new slant on depth and position at midnight.
    Might work in surface ships but there is no where to hide on a boat for the tantrums and hissy episodes that occur during the female cycle of events.I pity my fellow comrades who already endure a difficult and mentally challenging environment without the added side distractions.”

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