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Too much shouting, not enough talking

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Saturday, September 15, 2012
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LET'S talk…

There's a lot of shouting these days. People of opposing views labelling those on the opposite side of the argument with various pejorative terms on a sliding scale of incivility.

  1. LOUD POINT: Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Ed Davey speaking  in the House of Commons in 2008. He was  ordered out of the  chamber for  repeatedly protesting for an EU referendum

    LOUD POINT: Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Ed Davey speaking in the House of Commons in 2008. He was ordered out of the chamber for repeatedly protesting for an EU referendum

We see this in politics, with Members of Parliament shouting at and insulting each other across the chamber, we see it in the realm of religion, with people on either side of the fence of faith lobbing incendiary insults at the other side, and we see it online, with cowardly and caustic commentary from anonymous avatars.

From a faith perspective, it's really refreshing to me, therefore, when people come together to talk (rather than shout) about God and faith and the deeper issues of life.

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We have found that Alpha, a ten-week course exploring Christianity, provides the perfect environment for such a conversation.

It involves having a meal together, listening to a short talk and then discussing people's views and ideas and questions. The Alpha course is running in 169 countries around the world and has been attended by more than 19 million people.

It was described in the Independent on Sunday as "The world's most popular course in Christianity." In fact, world Alpha course numbers have grown by 29 per cent over the last couple of years.

The Guardian takes up this theme of conversation: "What Alpha offers, and what is attracting thousands of people, is permission, rare in secular culture, to discuss the big questions – life and death and their meaning."

As we have run the course these last few years, we have found that, regardless of what conclusions they reach on Christianity, people who attend do not want the course to finish. They have enjoyed food and friendship and an environment where they can talk and be heard.

There is too much shouting and not enough talking.

There are a number of churches around Plymouth that run the Alpha course, or similar courses, and if you are inclined to investigate faith and Christianity in particular, I would highly recommend that you join the conversation.

Let's talk.

Geoff Lee is Pastor of the Plymouth Christian Centre

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  • Profile image for CharlieDodd

    by CharlieDodd

    Sunday, September 16 2012, 8:03PM

    “Them two in the left background of the pic seem very chummy towards each other..;)”

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    by fazer58

    Sunday, September 16 2012, 9:57AM

    “Good point about people shouting at each other,the Church used to just kill people who didn't agree with them,messier but once the screams had died down certainly quieter.”

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    by HermesThelema

    Saturday, September 15 2012, 9:53PM

    “In no master;

    "Moby Dick." (Dear Prime Minister...)
    "Don't you mean Moby and the whale."
    "Ah, yes; I've never been so insulted in my life."
    The pepper scene is in that play about the wooden puppet.
    "I see, so it's not what you know it's who you know, as indicated by your knowledge in wisdom of of inherited lines."
    Don't tell such lies.
    "As you know, the secret in our lines, as in life, is to show no regret to another Brother, to cause reason of offence to any other (in our lines); to show no regret, to sign nor signal regret to another. Therefore, Aleister, why do you in resurrection raise objection to our lines."
    "Ah ha; you appear to be reading the slightly abridged version."
    D-a-v-i-d—C-a-m-e-r-o-n
    Didn't another in representation of an absent other once tell you that one day all knowledge would return via the wisdom of an anon another and in evident by reading your own wisdom back to you both one way and the other be proof in tertiary in presence of our presence of kind mind in your own system to reel back all your lines with no regret. As originally. As written by an anonymous other. AR”

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    by Workitout

    Saturday, September 15 2012, 9:22PM

    “Another Religious Comment”

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    by TheRedeemer89

    Saturday, September 15 2012, 8:28PM

    “@Vinnie_Gar I'd agree with you if only those in power actually discussed the policies being challenged rather than allowing things to descend into the usual "Labour did this, the Conservatives did that" while the issue goes completely unresolved.”

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    by Vinnie_Gar

    Saturday, September 15 2012, 8:12PM

    “Actually, the shouty bit of parliament is normally just Prime Mininster's Questions which is 30 mins per week.
    It's a sign of a healthy democracy where those in power can be challenged and have their policies questioned and be made to justify them.
    Is that like religion?
    Thankfully not.”

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    by TheRedeemer89

    Saturday, September 15 2012, 6:13PM

    “Can people not talk unless a seminar tells them to?

    I've got nothing against any religion trying to encourage people to create more of a sense of community and if people are happy to use the medium of religion to connect with other people then great if it works for them!

    Seriously though, why must people find an excuse to talk? Must we remain silent just because we don't know someone? How are we to meet new people and make new friends unless we break down the imaginary barriers that we put up in our own minds and break out of our isolation?

    Let's talk... not because a religion or a newspaper, with questionable journalistic integrity, tells us to but because we can. Let's talk about the issues and politics of the day. Let's talk about how we can make life more enjoyable together. Let's talk and build a stronger sense of community and make the world a nicer place to live in.

    Let's talk.”

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    by CharlieDodd

    Saturday, September 15 2012, 6:10PM

    “Paster Geoff said- 'We have found that Alpha, a ten-week course exploring Christianity, provides the perfect environment for such a conversation'..

    Sadly mate the Alpha Course people blew it bigtime by making themselves look ridiculous in a TV docu a couple of years ago when they asked course members to "speak n tongues". Some refused in disgust and walked out (good for them!) but others began jabbering like monkeys, thereby bringing Christianity into disrepute, i'm sure Satan was proud of them..”

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    by blogtodi

    Saturday, September 15 2012, 4:37PM

    “It fills the pages, I suppose. It will be many years yet before we see the end of the death-throes of religion. Be patient.”

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    by Nevman

    Saturday, September 15 2012, 12:15PM

    “Is there any particular reason for the Herald turning into a soapbox for evangelical Christians, other than their willingness to provide free copy? Does the Herald extend this opportunity to groups representing other faiths (or, indeed, no faith), or is it another example of open bias, as seen in its fawning attitude to Sutton Harbour Holdings?”

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