We wear black – and we're proud
DOKA, Claret and Justin are not satanists. Or vampires. They don't slash their wrists, or beat people up – and they don't torture hamsters either.
They're just three regular guys: a builder, a photographer and a hotel worker.
Oh, and they're also goths.
For them, being part of the subculture is a way of expressing their individuality.
They don't want to look like everyone else. They wear flowing coats, huge boots, have their hair long, and sport optional extras such as piercings, tattoos and lipstick.
And their favourite colour, in case you hadn't guessed, is black.
The trio actually prefer the word 'alternative' to describe their lifestyle.
And they are not alone. They were among more than 100 goths who marched through Plymouth city centre to mark the anniversary of the mob killing of Sophie Lancaster, in Manchester, because of the way she dressed.
And the huge goth subculture supports dedicated club nights in Plymouth with up to 1,000 people visiting Union Street's C103 on Fridays, and 200 at the Voodoo Lounge's Dark Angels nights on Wednesdays and Saturdays.
It's a sizeable minority, which the lads say is supportive and unthreatening.
Like everyone, they just want to belong. But in this case, being accepted by like-minded people opens you to being shunned, abused and even attacked by others, often so-called normal people.
"There is a lot of stigma attached to the word goth," said Justin Kelso, a 31-year-old builder from St Judes. "It's is a word used by people, who are not alternative, to slag us off."
He partly blames the media and Internet and said: "There is always negative press about goths. You see parents pull their kids out of the way if we walk down the street."
"I know someone who had to move to another part of Plymouth because the neighbours were sending death threats," said Doka Chapman, aged 20. He is a photographer from Ugborough, who wears four-inch platforms, and, sometimes, women's clothing.
"A few years ago, if you walked down Union Street it was a death sentence, but not now.
"My mum doesn't mind washing my clothes, but has a problem with the skirts and dresses. She's just worried for my safety."
And Justin added: "Goths are not afraid to go out – we're proud and dress as we want.
"But because people are not allowed to be racist or sexist they take their paranoia and aggression out on goths.
"But goths are not aggressive. They care about each other."
Claret Gurnell, aged 25, from Derry's Cross, a hotel night auditor, said: "We're not looking for a fight. How many goths have Asbos?"
There are other misconceptions: "I don't know any satanists," said Justin. "I know a few pagans but that's an alternative lifestyle. I'm a pagan."
"Christian goths are not unheard of," added Claret. "And we're not all depressed, sitting in a corner self-harming."
"Goths are quite up-beat," said Justin.
So what about those hamster accusations?.
"Animal cruelty – that's ridiculous," said Claret. "I wanted to be a vet."
"I've got a boa constrictor," said Justin.
"I've got six tortoises, a cat, three goldfish and a horse," said Doka.
"We're not really any different," insisted Justin. "There is nothing scary. It's a slight difference in attitude.
"We're proud of who we are, our individuality and attitudes. Maybe that's why people are scared.
"I don't want to be classified as a normal person, but I probably am.
"Most goths have jobs or are at college or university.
"Everything we put on is a form of self-expression. Its about taste in music, an alternative. It's a life choice.
He said goths come from every walk of life, and there's variation in the music they like, and the fashions.
"It's incredibly varied, that's the good thing," said Justin. "It's all about individuality. Goths celebrate that; they don't want to blend in.
"A lot are bringing new things. It's evolving. Everyone is accepted," he added. "We like a bit of a laugh. It's a camaraderie, a brother and sisterhood. It's a nice scene. You express yourself through your music and don't have to chin people.
"Housewives should not be scared or tell their children we're evil, because we really are not."
"Live and let live, as long as you are not hurting anyone," said Claret.
And Doka added: "There's nothing better than being in C103 on a Friday, back to back with a bloke you don't know, sweating profusely, doing air guitar solos."
And Justin added: "Why would anyone not want a night out like that?"










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by TS, North London
Saturday, January 17 2009, 7:23PM
“I'm originally from Plymouth, now living in London, and very involved in the scene here.
Although I agree with the sentiments here in general, I do have a couple of points.
Firstly, in reference to all the comments about no goths having ASBOs or being dangerous, I'd like to draw attention to the case of Terry Sewell, a self professed "goth" who murdered a "chav" in much the same way that Sophie Lancaster was killed. Rightly or wrongly, this did not receive as much media attention as Sophie's murder, but just goes to show that none of us are infallible.
Also, I find it very interesting, and somewhat confusing, that the intention of this article seems to be to present alternative people as normal individuals, which, of course, is usually the case, but then Justin says "I don't want to be classified as a normal person." Well make up your mind, it's either one or the other. That comment does seem to contradict the bulk of the article, and perhaps it's essential message.
However, I do respect the general point of this article and the effect it is trying to have. I can honestly say that I put up with far more abuse and hassle in Plymouth than I have in London. I think those of us in larger cities have it much easier than people in smaller places.”
by Mother of beautiful goth child,, Plymouth
Saturday, September 20 2008, 9:55PM
“Apologies for all the'plymouths' in my last post, I'm tired x”
by Mother of beautiful goth child, Plymouth, Plymouth, Plymouth
Saturday, September 20 2008, 8:05PM
“Tanya, Plymouth
Thanks for your reply xx”
by Tanya, Plymouth
Wednesday, September 17 2008, 5:29PM
“Yes, "a" is living with her boyfriend and has been for over a year.”
by Mother of beautiful goth child, Plymouth, Plymouth
Tuesday, September 16 2008, 11:48PM
“Dave, Plymouth
Thanks.
Does 'a' have anywhere to go?”
by DAVE., Plymouth
Sunday, September 14 2008, 9:47AM
“a and the me, myself and i chap are the same... his issue with the fight night thing is he was asked to leave. i will not go into the reasons on this site but let it be known we did not want his injury to be on our hands. we fight for fun and to unwind.,.. not to hurt people. he did not understand this.”
by Claret, plymouth
Tuesday, September 09 2008, 2:39AM
“We fully intend to continue to show support for the SOPHIE foundation. Around the country, this has included marches, candle vigils, charity gigs, raising funds selling charity wristbands etc. I'll be talking with Doka and the march organisers to see what we can be doing next.
But definitely, next year's anniversary will be marked, and like I wrote previously, anyone sympathetic with our feelings on 'Broken Britain' (as one tabloid calls the state of our society) is welcome to join. The guys giving out leaflets on the march said that some people took one look and joined in on the spot. Hopefully after this article, the silent majority won't feel scared off by all the goths!”
by Alt girl, Plymouth
Monday, September 08 2008, 2:25PM
“a if you sit down and analyise everything you're going to find a few supposed bad things.How many members of the public have ever been hurt as a result of 'fight night'??
and then compare numbers as to how many have been injured due to drunken violence from a group of so called 'chavs'.
sorry to lable here but i cant word it any differently.
I was one of many people that took part in the march on sunday and thought the article supported it very well. well done doka,claret and justin!(loving the shades =])
Can it be done again next year?
would like to know.”
by Jools, Devon
Saturday, September 06 2008, 10:28PM
“Tanya, sorry if I upset you. I am a woman by the way. The point I was trying to make, was not that you shouldn't be able to wear what you like, but that the world is too dangerous to wear what you like. I think quite honestly that a lot of young women walk the streets at night looking like tarts. It doesn't mean that I think they are asking to be raped or molested, but that they are asking for trouble. Whether you like it or not, there are vicious people out there who will pick on you for whatever reason. I really do agree with you that we should be able to wear what we like, but when we are controversial we ask for trouble. I am a controversial person in a different way (I won't go into why) and as such I attract trouble of a different kind. I must say that I think that it is appalling that people are attacked for the way they look, and I was just pointing out that the world in reality is a dangerous place.”
by Mother of beautiful goth child, Plymouth
Saturday, September 06 2008, 9:36PM
“Is 'a' the same person as 'me,myself and i, anywhere'? Also why is 'a' so disliked and does he have anywhere to go?”